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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5655 on: August 21, 2024, 11:59:24 AM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 21, 2024, 11:45:33 AM
I actually talked to a gal who is from West Virginia. She was proud that she was going on a date with a coal miner. That's actually a big status there.

If you have a job that pays higher than minimum wage, you can destroy pussy there. It's crazy.

maybe we've cracked the code here. Harris can go to West Virginia and say they want to put in solar panel manufacturing facilities, that will pay $70k a year, no carcinogenic coal dust or mine fires required.

But maybe the women of West Virginia will note that they want their men to die at 50 anyway.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5656 on: August 21, 2024, 12:26:06 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 21, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
maybe we've cracked the code here. Harris can go to West Virginia and say they want to put in solar panel manufacturing facilities, that will pay $70k a year, no carcinogenic coal dust or mine fires required.

But maybe the women of West Virginia will note that they want their men to die at 50 anyway.

They are so poor there, that if you have any money in your wallet at all, you are desirable. No matter how much of a piece of shit you are. It's really different. And the guys know that too.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5657 on: August 21, 2024, 12:38:40 PM »
Have some family in SW Indiana, coal miners do relatively well there it seems
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5658 on: August 21, 2024, 12:44:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 21, 2024, 12:38:40 PM
Have some family in SW Indiana, coal miners do relatively well there it seems

Yes. I have family is SE Illinois. Coal and oil is pretty much all there is. Or maybe a prison job or a car factory.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5659 on: August 21, 2024, 12:50:52 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 21, 2024, 11:38:55 AM
They are just into people who went to college paying a lot of taxes and subsidizing West Virginia.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

That’s been one of the most overlooked pieces of common knowledge for years. But Republicans are great at ignoring facts.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5660 on: August 21, 2024, 12:51:52 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 21, 2024, 12:38:40 PM
Have some family in SW Indiana, coal miners do relatively well there it seems

Just gotta put up with that pesky black lung!
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« Reply #5661 on: August 21, 2024, 12:53:00 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 21, 2024, 12:51:52 PM
Just gotta put up with that pesky black lung!

True. But they get paid well. Until they die.

It's either that, work at a gas station, or collect welfare. Coal pays well there.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5662 on: August 21, 2024, 12:58:20 PM »
Coal miners should be paid well, because they’re literally killing themselves.

https://publichealth.uic.edu/news-stories/modern-coal-miners-suffering-higher-fatality-rates/
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« Reply #5663 on: August 21, 2024, 01:00:27 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 21, 2024, 12:58:20 PM
Coal miners should be paid well, because they’re literally killing themselves.

https://publichealth.uic.edu/news-stories/modern-coal-miners-suffering-higher-fatality-rates/

Absolutely. And they are highly disposable to the coal companies. Because when one dies, another is eager to take his place.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5664 on: August 21, 2024, 01:17:04 PM »
Find me a blue collar job that doesn’t come with health risks. It’s safer today than it’s ever been and they do pretty well in an area with low cost of living. The wife usually can stay home with the kids or work part-time at worst. I see a lot of “dirty hands, clean money” bumper stickers on nice new SUVs. Not going to disparage anyone that works hard and takes pride in what they do to support their family. The Toyota folks live really well too. And somehow actually seem to enjoy it. I’d guess most if not all on here are white collar types so it’s hard for us to grasp.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5665 on: August 21, 2024, 01:42:31 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 21, 2024, 01:17:04 PM
Find me a blue collar job that doesn’t come with health risks. It’s safer today than it’s ever been and they do pretty well in an area with low cost of living. The wife usually can stay home with the kids or work part-time at worst. I see a lot of “dirty hands, clean money” bumper stickers on nice new SUVs. Not going to disparage anyone that works hard and takes pride in what they do to support their family. The Toyota folks live really well too. And somehow actually seem to enjoy it. I’d guess most if not all on here are white collar types so it’s hard for us to grasp.

Of course blue collar jobs come with risks.  But it's the responsibility of the employers to minimize those risks as much as possible.  The auto manufacturers understand this and will go beyond the minimum workplace safety standards in many instances.

The coal companies are another story.
I've known several coal miners in Central and So IL.  They've had to fight hard to get their employers to maintain good working conditions.  It's a never ending battle.

And all of their spouses worked full time in schools, government offices and retail.  Two of the miners even farmed to supplement their income.
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« Reply #5666 on: August 21, 2024, 01:55:11 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 21, 2024, 01:17:04 PM
Find me a blue collar job that doesn’t come with health risks. It’s safer today than it’s ever been and they do pretty well in an area with low cost of living. The wife usually can stay home with the kids or work part-time at worst. I see a lot of “dirty hands, clean money” bumper stickers on nice new SUVs. Not going to disparage anyone that works hard and takes pride in what they do to support their family. The Toyota folks live really well too. And somehow actually seem to enjoy it. I’d guess most if not all on here are white collar types so it’s hard for us to grasp.

I’m thinking concrete flat-work probably poses much less risk than coal mining.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5667 on: August 21, 2024, 01:55:46 PM »
Who said anything about “disparaging them?”
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« Reply #5668 on: August 21, 2024, 01:58:19 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on August 21, 2024, 01:42:31 PM
Of course blue collar jobs come with risks.  But it's the responsibility of the employers to minimize those risks as much as possible.  The auto manufacturers understand this and will go beyond the minimum workplace safety standards in many instances.

The coal companies are another story.
I've known several coal miners in Central and So IL.  They've had to fight hard to get their employers to maintain good working conditions.  It's a never ending battle.

And all of their spouses worked full time in schools, government offices and retail.  Two of the miners even farmed to supplement their income.

Of course their wives had to work—they live in Illinois.
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« Reply #5669 on: August 21, 2024, 02:13:30 PM »
Yeah, I'm definitely not disparaging them, or anyone else. It's definitely good money if you can get it. It's just that once you get sick, you are very much expendable. Hell, you're pretty much an enemy to the company at that point.

Growing up around Peoria, when Cat was super huge, it was pretty much all blue collar. I know how it works. One thing Cat did, back in the day, they covered health care 100%. Their insurance was the best around. Those jobs were coveted and very hard to get. And they paid like 28-35 dollars per hour back in the 80s. That's a fuckton of money.

But those dudes got broke down. It's hard fucking work, spending 10-12 hours under a tractor welding or doing any number of fucked up things you have to do. And when your body breaks, you get shitcanned and replaced.

My wife's dad worked for Cat for 30 years. Went through strikes. One time they went on strike over Christmas, 100 dollars a week in strike pay. It's tough. I won't disparage any of those dudes at all.
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