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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5310 on: August 05, 2024, 12:29:38 PM »
Alum and Murph can pshaw me all they want, but middle class families don’t want shitty progressive policies. And about the only people that are going to be left in the cities proper are going to be yuppies, criminals, and those too poor to escape.

It’s not just a troubling trend any longer—it’s an exodus as the article states. Hell, a hippy dippy girl I grew up with who couldn’t wait run away to Chicago after school even mentioned the other day that all the BS has her debating on whether or not to cross the Rubicon. She doesn’t even have a family.

Cool story bro.

We just bought a condo in downtown Mountain View. Mountain View and the Peninsula writ large have a more "urban" feel than say, Naperville or Schaumburg, there are only 2 freeways, neither of which dissect communities, and big box stores are not super prevalent, DTMV more resembles a place like Lincoln Square in Chicago.

That condo was 2 million bucks. It's not even in SF.

If people leave SF (Pop 800k) to move to Taylorville (pop 12,000) - it's because SF (median home price  1.4 Million) is more expensive than Taylorville (median home price 130k).  That is both progressive AND *conservative* policies. Restricted zoning put in place to preserve the home values of rich people. Nancy Pelosi - not a "progressive" doesn't want SF to grow to a million people if it means that there will be more high rises blocking her view and it gets harder to park her limousine.

Meanwhile - the "progressives" in SF don't want the high rises either. They want the city to be the same size, yet somehow have real estate prices stay the same. So they put in rent control, which adds to the problems caused by restricted zoning because new development doesn't pencil out. They say that rent control helps make things affordable for people with less money - but that's only true for the people with less money who are already there. When I moved to SF in 1998, the city had a much larger mix of people my age because people in their 20's could move to SF and find a place to live. Now those people are still there in their rent controlled place, but new 20 somethings can't move in because the housing stock is frozen in amber. And while the progressives complain that the only young people in town are tech-bros - they created those conditions. To make matters worse, you get situations where people who want to have kids or a divorce, can't do so because they can't afford to give up their rent control.

Now this has caused wage problems that a goddamn pint of beer is $11. I was just telling my wife that in 2003 when pints broke the $5 barrier I thought that was insane. $11? Our new condo is 1 block from a beer garden, and I'm probably going to drink on our porch. Can't do it.

There were plenty of drugged out homeless people, property crime, even some violent crime back then. People were still coming in droves. Because the city kicks ass. But only if you can afford it. Random homeless people are mostly harmless - and they exist everywhere. We stopped in Kingdom City Missouri on the way to the Ozarks, and I went to throw some trash out in the dumpster at the McDonalds - there was a homeless guy sleeping behind the dumpster. Maybe Missouri has less of a homeless problem because that guy probably dies from heat exposure. My in-laws live in bumfuck illinois. Not so many homeless people there. Because the place has emptied out since there are no jobs and no young people, so housing is cheap and blighted. rent cheap or just squat.

People are stupid.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5311 on: August 05, 2024, 12:31:12 PM »
I am not going to say it is all of the progressive policies, but taxes, crime, and education are big ones.

No. It's housing costs. Period.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5312 on: August 05, 2024, 12:31:41 PM »
Must be all the republicans in these democratic strongholds sabotaging democratic policy.

As for the stuff I specifically mentioned, the lactation room stuff is in place with the federal Pregnant Workers Fairness Act. Paid leave not required under that law; unpaid leave and other accommodations available. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5313 on: August 05, 2024, 12:33:22 PM »
No. It's housing costs. Period.

No, that isn't only it. Housing expensive in the suburbs now too. Taxes are tied to  housing costs as well.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5314 on: August 05, 2024, 12:35:19 PM »
As for the stuff I specifically mentioned, the lactation room stuff is in place with the federal Pregnant Workers Fairness Act. Paid leave not required under that law; unpaid leave and other accommodations available.

Is your point that the suburbs have lactation rooms and cities do not?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5315 on: August 05, 2024, 12:35:54 PM »
Murph TL:DR: Progressives want to make every city Oakland. Awesome.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5316 on: August 05, 2024, 12:36:29 PM »
Is your point that the suburbs have lactation rooms and cities do not?

Glad you missed the point that there are some popular progressive policies and some that suck ass and make people move.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5317 on: August 05, 2024, 12:37:40 PM »
No, that isn't only it. Housing expensive in the suburbs now too. Taxes are tied to  housing costs as well.

The suburbs have also put in restricted zoning in many places. But the increase in cost has been faster in cities.

Austin median is now 565k
The median home price in Austin, Texas in 2010 was $193,520

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5318 on: August 05, 2024, 12:38:47 PM »
The suburbs have also put in restricted zoning in many places. But the increase in cost has been faster in cities.

Austin median is now 565k
The median home price in Austin, Texas in 2010 was $193,520

Isn't part of the issue with Austin the exodus from California?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5319 on: August 05, 2024, 12:39:38 PM »
Q - "people have been having children and moving to the suburbs for decades now, not exactly anything new"

You - "Of course, but the article notes how accelerated it has become in major cities."

If the people with kids are leaving the cities for the suburbs, and lactation rooms are part of the issue, stands to reason that the suburbs are the places that are supporting those policies.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5320 on: August 05, 2024, 12:40:50 PM »
Isn't part of the issue with Austin the exodus from California?

In 2010, the median sale price for a single-family home in San Francisco was $751,000
As of May 2024, the median listing price for a home in San Francisco, California was $1.2 million

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5321 on: August 05, 2024, 12:40:57 PM »
Q - "people have been having children and moving to the suburbs for decades now, not exactly anything new"

You - "Of course, but the article notes how accelerated it has become in major cities."

If the people with kids are leaving the cities for the suburbs, and lactation rooms are part of the issue, stands to reason that the suburbs are the places that are supporting those policies.

With such obtuseness, it appears you have had quite a few $11 pints already today.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5322 on: August 05, 2024, 12:42:16 PM »
In 2010, the median sale price for a single-family home in San Francisco was $751,000
As of May 2024, the median listing price for a home in San Francisco, California was $1.2 million

Ok. But wasn't part of the problem for Austin was the influx of Californians? Now isn't the issue that they want to move out because they realize living in Texas sucks?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5323 on: August 05, 2024, 12:50:24 PM »
In 2010, the median sale price for a single-family home in San Francisco was $751,000
As of May 2024, the median listing price for a home in San Francisco, California was $1.2 million

I mean that's kind of everywhere though

median home price in Reno in 2010 - $172,500
median home price in Reno in June 2024 - $649,000

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« Reply #5324 on: August 05, 2024, 12:51:17 PM »
Ok. But wasn't part of the problem for Austin was the influx of Californians? Now isn't the issue that they want to move out because they realize living in Texas sucks?

People moved to Austin because it was cheap. Now, it's not cheap anymore and it's lost it's luster. But you keep saying that it's lactation room policies.

It's the housing costs. Period.