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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5295 on: July 30, 2024, 09:44:37 AM »
I read this and immediately thought of someone here.....

https://www.persuasion.community/p/illiberal-liberalism?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=61579&post_id=147138517&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1nfyj&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Illiberal Liberalism
Progressives who advocate for illiberal policies aren't Marxists or postmodernists. They turn liberalism's tools against itself.

One of the weirdest things about the current political environment is that so many people whose values are clearly grounded in the liberal tradition have adopted strategies to advance these values that are, one is inclined to say, self-evidently illiberal. Everyone should by now be familiar with tales of the YIPs (“young, illiberal progressives”) who want to ban all fascists from social media, but also think that most of the modern Republican Party is “literally fascist.”

Anyone who has interacted with these young crusaders has also likely noticed that they are untroubled by the apparent contradiction between their professed values and their political methods. While championing the cause of various vulnerable minorities, they are surprisingly willing to employ bullying tactics, attempting to cancel or punish all those who disagree with them. On a strictly tactical level, this seems like an obvious miscalculation. But what I find more interesting is the internal tension within this complex of political attitudes and how it gets managed.

My claim is that they manage this tension by taking advantage of a set of ambiguities, or loopholes, in traditional liberal doctrine, which have the effect of neutralizing the underlying contradiction between their values and tactics. This results in a political stance that I refer to as “illiberal liberalism.” While they may be violating the spirit of liberal toleration, they are not violating the letter of it, and so they have difficulty seeing any problem in their views....
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5296 on: July 30, 2024, 09:49:22 AM »
Spark?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5297 on: July 30, 2024, 10:06:38 AM »
Spark?

I should have said "a few people here."
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5298 on: July 30, 2024, 10:52:30 AM »
I read this and immediately thought of someone here.....

https://www.persuasion.community/p/illiberal-liberalism?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=61579&post_id=147138517&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1nfyj&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Illiberal Liberalism
Progressives who advocate for illiberal policies aren't Marxists or postmodernists. They turn liberalism's tools against itself.

One of the weirdest things about the current political environment is that so many people whose values are clearly grounded in the liberal tradition have adopted strategies to advance these values that are, one is inclined to say, self-evidently illiberal. Everyone should by now be familiar with tales of the YIPs (“young, illiberal progressives”) who want to ban all fascists from social media, but also think that most of the modern Republican Party is “literally fascist.”

Anyone who has interacted with these young crusaders has also likely noticed that they are untroubled by the apparent contradiction between their professed values and their political methods. While championing the cause of various vulnerable minorities, they are surprisingly willing to employ bullying tactics, attempting to cancel or punish all those who disagree with them. On a strictly tactical level, this seems like an obvious miscalculation. But what I find more interesting is the internal tension within this complex of political attitudes and how it gets managed.

My claim is that they manage this tension by taking advantage of a set of ambiguities, or loopholes, in traditional liberal doctrine, which have the effect of neutralizing the underlying contradiction between their values and tactics. This results in a political stance that I refer to as “illiberal liberalism.” While they may be violating the spirit of liberal toleration, they are not violating the letter of it, and so they have difficulty seeing any problem in their views....

Would be interesting to see a poll that asks a group of self-identifying YIPs if they categorize themselves as “liberals.”  Then I would ask them to define liberalism, or its key principles.     

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5299 on: July 30, 2024, 10:53:04 AM »
Would be interesting to see a poll that asks a group of self-identifying YIPs if they categorize themselves as “liberals.”  Then I would ask them to define liberalism, or its key principles.   

You wouldn’t ask them for their pronouns first?!
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5300 on: July 30, 2024, 12:28:47 PM »
Would be interesting to see a poll that asks a group of self-identifying YIPs if they categorize themselves as “liberals.”  Then I would ask them to define liberalism, or its key principles.   

Dude discusses that some of them may not necessarily describe themselves as liberal.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5301 on: July 30, 2024, 12:35:02 PM »
Shocking

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-teachers-union-property-tax-bill-west-loop-headquarters

Chicago Teachers Union seeks to reduce property tax bill for West Loop headquarters
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5302 on: July 30, 2024, 01:05:46 PM »
Dude discusses that some of them may not necessarily describe themselves as liberal.

The words “some” and “may” are doing a lot of work here. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5303 on: July 30, 2024, 02:49:55 PM »
The words “some” and “may” are doing a lot of work here.

As intended.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5304 on: August 05, 2024, 11:27:16 AM »
Hey, look! Tempo was finally AOTC on something! Congrats!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-urban-family-exodus-is-a-warning-for-progressives/ar-AA1ofLOv

The Urban Family Exodus Is a Warning for Progressives

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The problem doesn’t exist at the level of individual choice, where conservative scolds tend to fixate. Rather, it exists at the level of urban family policy. American families with young children are leaving big urban counties in droves. And that says something interesting about the state of mobility—and damning about the state of American cities and the progressives who govern them.

Just wait until that Progressive POS incompetent moron Fritz Kaegi works his wonders on Chicago proper with the next assessment.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5305 on: August 05, 2024, 12:04:21 PM »
Hey, look! Tempo was finally AOTC on something! Congrats!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-urban-family-exodus-is-a-warning-for-progressives/ar-AA1ofLOv

The Urban Family Exodus Is a Warning for Progressives

Just wait until that Progressive POS incompetent moron Fritz Kaegi works his wonders on Chicago proper with the next assessment.

Alum and Murph can pshaw me all they want, but middle class families don’t want shitty progressive policies. And about the only people that are going to be left in the cities proper are going to be yuppies, criminals, and those too poor to escape.

It’s not just a troubling trend any longer—it’s an exodus as the article states. Hell, a hippy dippy girl I grew up with who couldn’t wait run away to Chicago after school even mentioned the other day that all the BS has her debating on whether or not to cross the Rubicon. She doesn’t even have a family.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5306 on: August 05, 2024, 12:08:38 PM »
people have been having children and moving to the suburbs for decades now, not exactly anything new
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5307 on: August 05, 2024, 12:10:48 PM »
Alum and Murph can pshaw me all they want, but middle class families don’t want shitty progressive policies. And about the only people that are going to be left in the cities proper are going to be yuppies, criminals, and those too poor to escape.

It’s not just a troubling trend any longer—it’s an exodus as the article states. Hell, a hippy dippy girl I grew up with who couldn’t wait run away to Chicago after school even mentioned the other day that all the BS has her debating on whether or not to cross the Rubicon. She doesn’t even have a family.

I am not going to say it is all of the progressive policies, but taxes, crime, and education are big ones. Would think a large majority, except those who are captains of industry and those who do not want women in the workplace anyway, want there to be some paid time off when you have a kid, or a lactation area that isn't a bathroom in the workplace, etc. etc. Doubt everyone thinks we need to pay for access to yoga in middle and high schools (which is actually a new Illinois law for 1/1/25).
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5308 on: August 05, 2024, 12:11:32 PM »
people have been having children and moving to the suburbs for decades now, not exactly anything new

Of course, but the article notes how accelerated it has become in major cities.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #5309 on: August 05, 2024, 12:18:16 PM »
I am not going to say it is all of the progressive policies, but taxes, crime, and education are big ones. Would think a large majority, except those who are captains of industry and those who do not want women in the workplace anyway, want there to be some paid time off when you have a kid, or a lactation area that isn't a bathroom in the workplace, etc. etc. Doubt everyone thinks we need to pay for access to yoga in middle and high schools (which is actually a new Illinois law for 1/1/25).

Must be all the republicans in these democratic strongholds sabotaging democratic policy.
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