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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4425 on: February 11, 2024, 06:37:28 AM »
The state had a huge surplus.
Spent it. Didn't set some aside for a rainy day. Now we may be looking at a deficit.

The DFL has begun talk about becoming a sanctuary state while Denver has apparently decided to cut back on programs to divert funding to taking care of the migrants.

The governor, who I voted for primarily  because of his stance on education, has seen test scores drop. The Minneapolis school board is facing dire finances while the Minneapolis and St Paul city councils started their new sessions with Gaza ceasefire resolutions.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4426 on: February 11, 2024, 09:27:56 AM »
Quote from: No one on February 11, 2024, 06:37:28 AM
The state had a huge surplus.
Spent it. Didn't set some aside for a rainy day. Now we may be looking at a deficit.

The DFL has begun talk about becoming a sanctuary state while Denver has apparently decided to cut back on programs to divert funding to taking care of the migrants.

The governor, who I voted for primarily  because of his stance on education, has seen test scores drop. The Minneapolis school board is facing dire finances while the Minneapolis and St Paul city councils started their new sessions with Gaza ceasefire resolutions.

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The Minnesota sanctuary state legislation will be a tough sell outside the Twin Cities.

Instead of grievance posting here all day, I think you'd be better served, urging your family and friends to consider writing a letter or email to their state legislators asking them to oppose the bill.

And then tell Tom Emmer to get off his ass and start working with Democrats on federal legislation to address the border security problem.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4427 on: February 11, 2024, 09:50:47 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on February 11, 2024, 09:27:56 AM
Instead of grievance posting here all day, I think you'd be better served, urging your family and friends to consider writing a letter or email to their state legislators asking them to oppose the bill.

And then tell Tom Emmer to get off his ass and start working with Democrats on federal legislation to address the border security problem.
I've done that.
And the Democrats had the White House, the House and the Senate while Biden created this problem.
Great concept. Create a problem in order to fix it your way. And the border bill is more a Ukraine bill than a border bill for our border.
A House stand alone border bill was dead on arrival in the Democratic Senate. But yeah, work with the Democrats.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4428 on: February 11, 2024, 10:13:01 AM »
Someone doesn't understand how to get a bill through the Senate.

The GOP has two choices.  Sit on the sidelines and whine, or get in the game and do the heavy lifting.  Like it or not, it will take a bipartisan approach to deal with the issue.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4429 on: February 11, 2024, 10:30:48 AM »
And this is what happens to a GOP legislator who actually wants to try to govern. 
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4436232-oklahoma-gop-director-lankford-censure-illegitimate/

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4430 on: February 11, 2024, 12:25:21 PM »
Quote from: No one on February 11, 2024, 05:59:39 AM
The Senate bill didn't address the dreamers, did it.
And it's the wetbacks, as you call them, that are shooting tourists and at cops.

The DOA house bill would, iirc, deport the dreamers? Trump would. And Trump wants to use the military on the border.

Illegal border crossers are not shooting large numbers of cops and tourists. Yes, one might be too many.

If we took that approach toward crime by citizens, maybe we'd get serious about fixing it.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4431 on: February 11, 2024, 12:57:23 PM »
"More than 24,000 Chinese citizens have been apprehended crossing into the United States from Mexico in the past year. That is more than in the preceding 10 years combined."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/24/us/politics/china-migrants-us-border.html

And I've heard close to 45,000 in 2 years. If China doesn't want them back they must want them here.
And the reason is probably not that China is persecuting them and is compassionate about their plight.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4432 on: February 11, 2024, 01:15:12 PM »
Maybe they’re here to build the railroad
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4433 on: February 11, 2024, 01:30:37 PM »
It has been interesting watching the political parties evolve.

The Cold War Republicans I was born into were basically an uneasy alliance of globalists and nationalists.

The globalists supported free trade deals and were generally moderate on social issues. They would advertise themselves as fiscal conservatives. There was also a progressive sub-faction; the Rockefeller Republicans.

The nationalists were quietly america first, leary about free trade, and strongly social conservative.

The uniting principles were beliefs in lower taxes, less government, deregulation of business, domestic free markets, and especially opposition to the Soviet Union.

The globalists / moderates / fiscal conservatives pretty much ran the Party. The nationalists /  social conservatives stayed in the background unless needed to rally pro-lifers, etc.

The collapse of the Soviet Union fractured the alliance. The first overt sign was probably the emergence of Ross Perot and his ant-nafta reform party. Then the tea party. Now, with Trump, the nationalists have taken over the Republican Party.

Personally, I am still a libertarian at heart. I would prefer tree trade and open borders with little or no government.

That fails because humans are largely stupid, greedy, mean bastages who lie, steal, and cheat. Those are the ones who don't rape, main, and murder.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4434 on: February 11, 2024, 01:41:55 PM »
Quote from: No one on February 11, 2024, 12:57:23 PM
If China doesn't want them back they must want them here.
And the reason is probably not that China is persecuting them and is compassionate about their plight.

It could be China doesn't care where they are.

"The migrants are part of an exodus of citizens who have grown frustrated with harsh restrictions related to the coronavirus pandemic and the direction of Xi Jinping’s authoritarian government. The trend has been coined the “run philosophy,” with citizens escaping to Japan, Europe and the United States."

It's not hard to figure out. They don't want dissidents back.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4435 on: February 11, 2024, 02:00:46 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 11, 2024, 01:41:55 PM
It could be China doesn't care where they are.

"The migrants are part of an exodus of citizens who have grown frustrated with harsh restrictions related to the coronavirus pandemic and the direction of Xi Jinping’s authoritarian government. The trend has been coined the “run philosophy,” with citizens escaping to Japan, Europe and the United States."

It's not hard to figure out. They don't want dissidents back.
Good one, Ray.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4436 on: February 11, 2024, 02:03:27 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 11, 2024, 01:41:55 PM
It could be China doesn't care where they are.

"The migrants are part of an exodus of citizens who have grown frustrated with harsh restrictions related to the coronavirus pandemic and the direction of Xi Jinping’s authoritarian government. The trend has been coined the “run philosophy,” with citizens escaping to Japan, Europe and the United States."

It's not hard to figure out. They don't want dissidents back.

This is where our asylum rules break down.  Everyone in China exists under some threat of oppression, that includes the very top of the elite.  So, the migrants are leaving for a mix of reasons and our asylum laws don't handle that well.  To top it off.  For the Chinese, even if they were not facing direct oppression when they left, they could face repercussions just for trying.  The migrants at the southern border face an equivalent dynamic.  Economic reasons mixed in with very real fear of violence back home.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4437 on: February 12, 2024, 12:59:28 PM »


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4438 on: February 12, 2024, 01:09:17 PM »
Good one, Golf!
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4439 on: February 12, 2024, 05:17:15 PM »
Quote from: No one on February 11, 2024, 09:50:47 AM
I've done that.
And the Democrats had the White House, the House and the Senate while Biden created this problem.
Great concept. Create a problem in order to fix it your way. And the border bill is more a Ukraine bill than a border bill for our border.
A House stand alone border bill was dead on arrival in the Democratic Senate. But yeah, work with the Democrats.

Russia taking control of Ukraine will be a much, much bigger problem for the US than a dealing with a bunch of people crawling across the Rio Grande.
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