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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4260 on: January 10, 2024, 01:20:21 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 10, 2024, 12:20:11 PM
Basically the State is trying to deter voter fraud by requiring proof of eligibility first, the feds are deterring voter fraud by throwing you in jail if you vote and you aren't eligible. If you successfully fake your proof, Arizona won't try to catch you, but the feds will put you in jail if they find out.

Up to the reader as to if threat of being slapped on the wrist by Az is a bigger deterrent than the smaller chance but higher price of a decade in federal prison. Either way - the majority of voter fraud is people voting for dead people or someone else's ballot.

Wait… I thought there wasn’t voter fraud… 🤔
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4261 on: January 10, 2024, 01:25:06 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 10, 2024, 01:20:21 PM
Wait… I thought there wasn’t voter fraud… 🤔

Based on the prosecutions of late, it has been GOP people voting in places they don't live or voting on their dead relatives' behalf. Had a couple where people wrongly thought they could vote despite their felony convictions.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4262 on: January 10, 2024, 01:30:55 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4263 on: January 10, 2024, 01:33:18 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 10, 2024, 01:25:06 PM
Based on the prosecutions of late, it has been GOP people voting in places they don't live or voting on their dead relatives' behalf. Had a couple where people wrongly thought they could vote despite their felony convictions.

I don’t care what “side” it’s been on. My point is that for the last 4 years all we’ve heard about is there isn’t any voter fraud. You’re a conspiracy theorists if you think such things!! I’m saying the voting system is broke and needs fixed. That’s reasonable. You need an ID for millions of others things, why not for voting? Are Secretary of State offices racist for requiring an ID to drive?! It ridiculous the opposition stating all the reasons we “can’t.”
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4264 on: January 10, 2024, 01:49:39 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 10, 2024, 01:33:18 PM
I don’t care what “side” it’s been on. My point is that for the last 4 years all we’ve heard about is there isn’t any voter fraud. You’re a conspiracy theorists if you think such things!! I’m saying the voting system is broke and needs fixed. That’s reasonable. You need an ID for millions of others things, why not for voting? Are Secretary of State offices racist for requiring an ID to drive?! It ridiculous the opposition stating all the reasons we “can’t.”

Uh, there were numerous lawsuits filed regarding the election alleging fraud. They were all tossed for lack of evidence. Where is the proof that there is widespread fraud? Most of the issues, historically, occur in the back offices of the local election boards, if anything.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4265 on: January 10, 2024, 02:23:47 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4266 on: January 10, 2024, 02:32:38 PM »
Quote from: Mn on January 10, 2024, 02:23:47 PM
The Brookings Institution brought us Igor Danchenko.

The Brookings article is based on data reported by the ultra-liberal think tank, the Heritage Foundation.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Perhaps we should have Michael Gableman look into it. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4267 on: January 10, 2024, 03:57:57 PM »
Most secure election in history
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4268 on: January 10, 2024, 04:20:59 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 10, 2024, 01:33:18 PM
I don’t care what “side” it’s been on. My point is that for the last 4 years all we’ve heard about is there isn’t any voter fraud. You’re a conspiracy theorists if you think such things!! I’m saying the voting system is broke and needs fixed. That’s reasonable. You need an ID for millions of others things, why not for voting? Are Secretary of State offices racist for requiring an ID to drive?! It ridiculous the opposition stating all the reasons we “can’t.”

Any meaningful voter fraud. Next thing you know you'll be bitching that there is 0.10% alcohol in your Non Alcoholic beer
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4269 on: January 10, 2024, 04:25:11 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 10, 2024, 01:33:18 PM
You need an ID for millions of others things, why not for voting? Are Secretary of State offices racist for requiring an ID to drive?! It ridiculous the opposition stating all the reasons we “can’t.”

Aside from the Secretary of State not being in charge of whether or not you can drive, you do have a point. We require drivers licenses ostensibly because driving without knowing what you are doing can be dangerous. 74 million plus people decided to do the dangerous thing of voting for Donald Trump!

Maybe what we need to do is add a basic literacy and mathematics test in order to qualify to be eligible to vote. Of course this would be racist against Donald Trump because he loves the poorly educated.

(Note: You don't have to be a good driver to pass the driver's license test. I hear they even give them to architects)

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4270 on: January 10, 2024, 04:26:48 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 10, 2024, 01:49:39 PM
Where is the proof that there is widespread fraud?

BZZT. This is not the bar. We must prevent EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE OF VOTER FRAUD. The easiest way of course to just cancel the elections and declare Trump king. No votes, no fraud.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4271 on: January 10, 2024, 07:52:32 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on January 10, 2024, 02:32:38 PM
The Brookings article is based on data reported by the ultra-liberal think tank, the Heritage Foundation.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Perhaps we should have Michael Gableman look into it. 

"The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country."
"To be clear, this database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list of all election fraud in the states. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances or allegations of election fraud, some of which may be meritorious, some not, that are not investigated or prosecuted."
https://www.heritage.org/article/about-the-election-fraud-database

Are these votes fraudulent ? Legally, in the technical sense, maybe not. I'm not a lawyer, but this may be called a fraud by many.

You can click on the highlighted "held" to read the decision.
https://will-law.org/teigen-v-wisconsin-elections-commission/




The Wisconsin Supreme Court also recently held that a Wisconsin Election Commission decision in the 2022 Kenosha County election violated state statutes.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4272 on: January 10, 2024, 08:03:01 PM »
Quote from: Mn on January 10, 2024, 07:52:32 PM
"The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country."
"To be clear, this database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list of all election fraud in the states. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances or allegations of election fraud, some of which may be meritorious, some not, that are not investigated or prosecuted."
https://www.heritage.org/article/about-the-election-fraud-database

Are these votes fraudulent ? Legally, in the technical sense, maybe not. I'm not a lawyer, but this may be called a fraud by many.

You can click on the highlighted "held" to read the decision.
https://will-law.org/teigen-v-wisconsin-elections-commission/




The Wisconsin Supreme Court also recently held that a Wisconsin Election Commission decision in the 2022 Kenosha County election violated state statutes.

Many claim the allegations of fraud being bandied about cheapen real instances of "fraud" as they lack any supporting factual evidence.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4273 on: January 10, 2024, 08:14:18 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 10, 2024, 08:03:01 PM
Many claim the allegations of fraud being bandied about cheapen real instances of "fraud" as they lack any supporting factual evidence.
If the Wisconsin Elections Commission and it's attorneys promote ballot boxes that are in violation of state statutes you can call it whatever you want. If someone wants to call it a fraud perpetrated on Wisconsin voters, I'm not sure it cheapens the term.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4274 on: January 10, 2024, 08:40:10 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on January 10, 2024, 01:30:55 PM
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/widespread-election-fraud-claims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/
They waited til the last paragraph to add "Heritage admits that their tracker is not complete,".

Heritage labeled it a "sampling". They did not refer to it as being "not complete".
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