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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8295 on: October 05, 2025, 08:59:45 PM »
What part of “decreased funding” escaped you?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8296 on: October 05, 2025, 09:03:15 PM »
Lots of places, but probably not greedy, lazy libs.

Name them then
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8297 on: October 05, 2025, 09:06:58 PM »
Lot of admin and professors making money?

They were always paid. We just used to pay more of it with tax dollars

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8298 on: October 05, 2025, 09:13:25 PM »


That’s one kid. Now throw in the incredible rising costs of healthcare. These costs are eating people up anyway, why not just pay it in taxes, and those people in the north shore might have to suffer without their 4th luxury SUV. And hedge fund billionaires might have to sell their 3rd summer home.

So you want everyone to pay more in taxes, particularly the wealthy, who you detest, in order to have state-managed college and healthcare. And then trust the government, which is run by the wealthy and corporations you abhor, with that money?

Why has the price tag of higher education skyrocketed, way past the rate of inflation, since the late 1960s? Curious, no?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8299 on: October 05, 2025, 09:13:54 PM »
Where's the money going then?

Bret Bielema and Brad Underwood? Presumably they are the two highest paid employees of UIUC.

My sister in law taught at UIUC her whole career. Hint: she’s not rich. Scraped by and had a modest house in Champaign. The only professors making bank are Engineering or Law professors who consult on the side.

Shit just adds up. Heating old buildings in a cold climate. Reasonable class sizes

Those grads go off to pay a lot more taxes than the poorly educated. It’s an investment by the government that pays well. Unless we raise the price and have to rely on foreign students that Trump kicks out of the country after they graduate


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8300 on: October 05, 2025, 09:16:35 PM »

Why has the price tag of higher education skyrocketed, way past the rate of inflation, since the late 1960s? Curious, no?

Money from all sources spent per student has not exceeded inflation. We just changed the mix of where that money is sourced and charge the students more

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8301 on: October 05, 2025, 09:18:55 PM »
Bret Bielema and Brad Underwood? Presumably they are the two highest paid employees of UIUC.

My sister in law taught at UIUC her whole career. Hint: she’s not rich. Scraped by and had a modest house in Champaign. The only professors making bank are Engineering or Law professors who consult on the side.

Shit just adds up. Heating old buildings in a cold climate. Reasonable class sizes

Those grads go off to pay a lot more taxes than the poorly educated. It’s an investment by the government that pays well. Unless we raise the price and have to rely on foreign students that Trump kicks out of the country after they graduate
I thought that Bielema and Underwood were not paid by the University per se as the Athletic Department was a seperate entity. Which was one of the reasons that Guenther was always a tightwad. 0
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8302 on: October 05, 2025, 09:23:45 PM »
I thought that Bielema and Underwood were not paid by the University per se as the Athletic Department was a seperate entity. Which was one of the reasons that Guenther was always a tightwad. 0

And where does the Athletic Dept get its money from?

Even if you say “donors” then it’s fucked up that we are fundraising for Bielema yet raising tuition

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8303 on: October 05, 2025, 09:32:28 PM »
And where does the Athletic Dept get its money from?

Even if you say “donors” then it’s fucked up that we are fundraising for Bielema yet raising tuition

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8304 on: October 05, 2025, 09:48:44 PM »
If I pay for tuition and healthcare or pay it in taxes what’s the difference? And yes, millionaires and billionaires should be taxed more. My millionaire best friend agrees.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #8305 on: October 05, 2025, 10:15:37 PM »
If I pay for tuition and healthcare or pay it in taxes what’s the difference? And yes, millionaires and billionaires should be taxed more. My millionaire best friend agrees.


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8306 on: October 05, 2025, 10:37:50 PM »
If I pay for tuition and healthcare or pay it in taxes what’s the difference? And yes, millionaires and billionaires should be taxed more. My millionaire best friend agrees.

The obvious difference is that for every dollar that gets sent to Washington for any given entitlement, only about $.85 ever goes back out to said entitlement. 

You’re putting a ton of faith in the government to do something really big and really important, both competently and efficiently. They don’t do that with anything, but maybe they’ll do it right this time! If the majority of the American people were consistently convinced that our government could administer this as a high level, we’d already have it.

And if we already did have it and Donald Trump was currently in charge of our universal health care program, you’d be losing your mind about that, too.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8307 on: October 06, 2025, 07:09:16 AM »
The obvious difference is that for every dollar that gets sent to Washington for any given entitlement, only about $.85 ever goes back out to said entitlement. 


Medicaid
Administrative costs are 4% of total spending. For every dollar spent on a fee-for-service Medicaid plan, about 4 cents go to administrative costs. Costs are generally higher for managed care plans.

Medicare
Traditional Medicare has historically low overhead costs. Studies from the Kaiser Family Foundation show that the administrative costs for traditional Medicare are about 2% of operating expenditures. Even if other costs are included in the calculation, studies still find Medicare's overhead to be very low, ranging from 2% to 5%.
Medicare Advantage plans have higher overhead.

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For every dollar spent on private health insurance, between 15 and 20 cents generally goes to overhead. This can vary depending on the market, with higher overhead in individual plans and lower overhead in large group plans.

If an insurer's annual spending on medical care falls short of the required threshold (80% or 85%), it must issue a rebate to its customers.

This ratio is mandated by the Affordable Care Act (ACA), which establishes a minimum Medical Loss Ratio (MLR). This MLR rule is more commonly known as the "80/20 rule" and serves as a check on the amount insurers spend on administrative costs and profits.

Since the MLR rule was implemented in 2012, billions of dollars in rebates have been returned to consumers

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For every dollar spent on a single-payer healthcare system, estimates suggest that the amount going to overhead would be around 2 to 6 cents. This is a significant decrease compared to the higher administrative costs of the current multi-payer system in the U.S., where private insurers' overhead is around 12% to 17%.

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Social Security's administrative costs are extremely low, amounting to less than 1% of the program's total spending.

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For every dollar spent on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), approximately 94 cents goes toward food benefits, with about 6 cents covering overhead.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #8308 on: October 06, 2025, 09:54:42 AM »

Best friend? Why Tempo I’m blushing

I thought you were a illionaire with a B?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #8309 on: October 06, 2025, 09:54:55 AM »
You’re my 2nd best friend.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.