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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1275 on: August 02, 2021, 03:32:47 PM »
The incursion of ex-Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor Homes residents has certainly changed Danville already.

Watching them do battle with an army of spiritualist Chinese free-marketeers might make good copy for a local fishwrap.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1276 on: August 02, 2021, 08:03:08 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on August 02, 2021, 02:27:40 PM
So Danville is a rural town in southern IL?

Going back in time is not really a bad concept in some ways to some conservatives. Some miss some aspects of the goodle days. Like small towns with a sense of community and thriving businesses other than meth labs.

Is the author blaming excessive taxation, a lack of full time fire departments, or both?

Off hand, I am thinking Missouri might be better at tourism. They have popular places like Branson, Silver Dollar City, Meramec Caverns, Hannibal, Lake of the Ozarks ...

Tennessee is historically good at tourism too. People flock to Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge, Dollywood ...

The Chicago area pulls in more visitors annually than Missouri, and it's not even close.

Branson? Penny ante compared to the Cubs/Bulls/Sox/Bears/Blackhawks.  Before we get into big events like Taste of Chicago or Lollapalooza, there are thousands of visitors who come just to go to the Museum of Science and Industry, Planetarium, Shedd, Willard Building. All of this before we even get into the number of conventions that are held in Chicago.

Lake of the Ozarks seems pretty crazy but it's small potatoes compared to Lake Tahoe - Backwater Jacks is neat but it's not Harrah's Casino, and it's 100% seasonal, I can't even fathom how miserable that place would be in the winter, the roads are super crazy insane.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1277 on: August 02, 2021, 09:14:32 PM »
Off hand, I am thinking [rural] Missouri might be better at tourism [than tural southern IL]. Wasn't that the topic? That is why I didn't mention the Arch or 6 Flags.

What comparable tourist attractions / traps do rural south central and southern IL have? New Salem? Shelbyville, Crab Orchard, Shawnee, Carlyle etc. are nice, but last I checked the relative absence of crowds is part of the appeal.


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1278 on: August 02, 2021, 10:22:23 PM »
-Branson and Lake of the Ozarks are relative shitholes.
-Most of the tourism there is regional. Chicago's is international.
-It's stupid to compare fertile farmland to the Ozarks. No one in their right mind trades corn belt land for a Branson set-up
-Both Shawnee and Starved Rock/Matthiesen are nicer than anything in Missouri.


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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1279 on: August 02, 2021, 10:34:54 PM »
Looks like precovid IL was attracting 116 million annual visitors, half to Chicago. MO 46 million.

Branson 9 million annual visitors.
Lake of the Ozarks 5.4 million
Starved Rock 2.8 million
Silver Dollar City 2.2 million
Crab Orchard 1 million
Carlyle 800k
New Salem  400k
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1280 on: August 02, 2021, 10:53:37 PM »
I think the article is saying that rural southern IL is dying and losing population, while adjacent rural Missouri is growing.  So Chicago and northern IL are moot to the discussion. 
 
The writer seems to blame IL for high taxes and bad government. I gather they credit free markets in MO. 
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1281 on: August 03, 2021, 04:00:32 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1282 on: August 03, 2021, 08:38:53 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on August 02, 2021, 10:53:37 PM
I think the article is saying that rural southern IL is dying and losing population, while adjacent rural Missouri is growing.  So Chicago and northern IL are moot to the discussion. 
 
The writer seems to blame IL for high taxes and bad government. I gather they credit free markets in MO.

I just spent a week in rural Missouri. Drive down 42 - Church, Strip club, High School. Lather rinse repeat. There is a strip club called Porkey's which is open until 1:30 because they have a liquor license, at which point they all go next door to "Night Moves" which is BYOB and closes at 4. Drive out to the really nice golf course at Deer Chase, and you get to see the housing stock and really weird stuff going on out there. There is nothing "growing" going on out there. Miller and Camden County total 70,000 people between them. The high paying jobs are basically "construction" and "own a signature business on the lake". US-54 used to be a surface road, they built a bypass freeway and the main drag is now mostly empty storefronts - pre-COVID. A huge percentage of the housing stock is transient lodging and is vacant all winter because it's inaccessible, if you tried to drive your car to the place we stayed in the wintertime, your car would slide right into the lake. The whole area was basically built on what used to be mountaintops above a river - humans normally occupy valleys but the valley there is a lake.

But is rural Illinois worse off? Could be. I mentioned the corn to my father in law who used to sell John Deere downstate. He said "the corn in Illinois looks much better'. I said "better farmers?" he said "pretty much just better ground". The problem being that it's all very manageable by combine, so the farm jobs have dried up even if the income level amongst those who own land is quite good.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1283 on: August 03, 2021, 08:48:41 PM »
I can't imagine what the talent, and customer, level is in those rural MO strip clubs. More people than teeth?
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1284 on: August 03, 2021, 09:42:13 PM »
So the free market commerce  in rural MO appears to consist largely of selling salvation, strip shows, and seasonal tourist traps? With better government they could add whore houses and opium dens.

Still, hard to argue with the success of Branson.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1285 on: August 03, 2021, 10:36:45 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on August 03, 2021, 09:48:07 PM
There used to be a strip club in Kenney, IL. Near Clinton. Dumpy little town, but this place had nice talent. I know some girls from Big Als went there to moonlight occasionally.

It burned down, under suspicious circumstances, if I remember right.

One of my best friends went to ISU and during the extravaganza that was his 21st birthday we ended up at Kenney with a large group of both guys and gals.

It was late December and bitterly cold. I was 3 months shy of my 21st birthday but was drinking the beer we brought with us regardless. I was deep into a “conversation” with a hot black girl in sheer neon green lingerie when a worker noticed I didn’t have a wristband, and I was unceremoniously tossed out.

At this late hour it was even more bitterly cold and now snowing. Cell phones were a pretty new thing and coverage wasn’t great in Kenney so they allowed me back in to let my friends know I had been kicked out.

Matt’s girlfriend gave me his car keys so I could go sit in the warm car until they were ready to go.

Funny this came up tonight as I talked to him tonight for the first time in a while.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1286 on: August 03, 2021, 10:42:21 PM »
That reminds me that I miss the days when most young people weren’t fat
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1287 on: August 04, 2021, 06:46:55 AM »
Any chance this Chicago born Olympic gold medal winning woman made the Tribune or Sun-Times today ?
Or nah ?
She wasn't mentioned in the Star-Tribune.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1422630542185480196
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1288 on: August 04, 2021, 06:58:21 AM »
Quote from: Mn on August 04, 2021, 06:46:55 AM
Any chance this Chicago born Olympic gold medal winning woman made the Tribune or Sun-Times today ?
Or nah ?
She wasn't mentioned in the Star-Tribune.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1422630542185480196

I thought she was from Texas. Saw a story somewhere, maybe ESPN?, where her father died in a car accident after one of her HS wrestling matches. She's what the Olympics used to be about. Not some person just doing it for their corporate sponsors and their upcoming US tour.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #1289 on: August 04, 2021, 07:17:53 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 04, 2021, 06:58:21 AM
I thought she was from Texas. Saw a story somewhere, maybe ESPN?, where her father died in a car accident after one of her HS wrestling matches. She's what the Olympics used to be about. Not some person just doing it for their corporate sponsors and their upcoming US tour.
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