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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3765 on: July 20, 2023, 12:08:35 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 20, 2023, 12:05:35 PM
What is the functional difference between Joe and Anne getting in the way of Tom and Mary, or a company?

If prices are low, that void will be filled. Just because this seems more efficient doesn't change that fact. When you get down to it, these companies represent shareholders named Joe and Anne.

OMG did I just hear “corporations are people?”
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« Reply #3766 on: July 20, 2023, 12:12:57 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 20, 2023, 12:08:35 PM
OMG did I just hear “corporations are people?”

Dude you work for Uber - the most evil corporation there is.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3767 on: July 20, 2023, 12:24:16 PM »
I tend to view it as I work for me, but point taken.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3768 on: July 20, 2023, 12:24:46 PM »
Uber loses money on me btw.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3769 on: July 20, 2023, 12:26:45 PM »
I make sure to stick it to “The Man” as much as possible.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3770 on: July 20, 2023, 12:27:50 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 20, 2023, 12:05:56 PM
And you're a communist. Go figure

I didn't say I was not a fan of Pottersville....seems a hell of a lot more fun than Bedford Falls.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3771 on: July 20, 2023, 12:36:41 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 20, 2023, 12:05:56 PM
And you're a communist. Go figure

I would have expected this comment to be flip flopped in terms of author/recipient.
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« Reply #3772 on: July 20, 2023, 12:42:07 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 20, 2023, 12:36:41 PM
I would have expected this comment to be flip flopped in terms of author/recipient.

I don't think the commies would be big fans of venture capitalists buy up homes (unless the commies themselves were the investors).
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3773 on: July 20, 2023, 01:25:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 19, 2023, 11:17:00 PM
Apparently destroying the nuclear family of the poors was not enough for you?Well, Moynihan has been dead for awhile, hasn't he?

I probably should have included properly designed as well. There is a tendency to use programs to control behavior.

Instead of a simple reverse tax scheme, we wound up with ADC, AFDC, and Public Housing projects. To stay medical eligible, they had to have more kids. Food and housing vouchers have been a positive change in the right direction. Still, public aid workers are quasi social workers and the whole system is designed to keep the poor barely  functional.

The better system is a guaranteed minimum livable income funded by advance refundable tax credits. That replaces TanF, SNAP,. Possibly phase out housing subsidies? Go to universal healthcare. Another topic.
Poor people can then earn more without losing medical and the income subsidy is phased out.

Then let social workers deal with homelessness -- unhousedness? --, drug addiction, alcoholism, foster children, domestic violence

I temporarily housed a  wayward youth or two once upon a time. Unpaid, unofficial role. What a mess that system is. One came from a group home that was a burglary ring.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3774 on: July 20, 2023, 01:40:03 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 20, 2023, 10:35:12 AM
I am not sure I agree with the thesis that single family homes should not be part of the rental stock

They are scooping up entry level homes, renovating them, then renting them to an upscale market. It's not rocket surgery. This has a bad effect on home ownership.

The companies doing this say young, upscale families don't care about home ownership and don't want to buy a fixer upper. They would rather rent an already fixed up home.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3775 on: July 20, 2023, 01:46:52 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 20, 2023, 01:25:33 PM
I probably should have included properly designed as well. There is a tendency to use programs to control behavior.

Instead of a simple reverse tax scheme, we wound up with ADC, AFDC, and Public Housing projects. To stay medical eligible, they had to have more kids. Food and housing vouchers have been a positive change in the right direction. Still, public aid workers are quasi social workers and the whole system is designed to keep the poor barely  functional.

The better system is a guaranteed minimum livable income funded by advance refundable tax credits. That replaces TanF, SNAP,. Possibly phase out housing subsidies? Go to universal healthcare. Another topic.
Poor people can then earn more without losing medical and the income subsidy is phased out.

Then let social workers deal with homelessness -- unhousedness? --, drug addiction, alcoholism, foster children, domestic violence

I temporarily housed a  wayward youth or two once upon a time. Unpaid, unofficial role. What a mess that system is. One came from a group home that was a burglary ring.

What makes you think they can get it right this time? Not saying that is a reason to stop trying. Just would be nice if non-profits would step up instead of hording cash for their executives.

I actually do know of a group that provides services and housing for the homeless. They do a good job, but they do not deal with the people who refuse to take their meds. Not equipped to handle them.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3776 on: July 20, 2023, 01:52:03 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 20, 2023, 11:29:00 AM
Wall Street is not interested in housing America and building neighborhoods. Only profits.

Isn't that true of American Capitalism across the board? They are only interested in the needs of the public to the extent free market competition or government action forces their hands. Between cronyism and monopoly-ism, free markets are mostly something Republicans talk about.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3777 on: July 20, 2023, 01:52:14 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 20, 2023, 01:40:03 PM
They are scooping up entry level homes, renovating them, then renting them to an upscale market. It's not rocket surgery. This has a bad effect on home ownership.

The companies doing this say young, upscale families don't care about home ownership and don't want to buy a fixer upper. They would rather rent an already fixed up home.

So "Entry level home" means "a larger home but dilapidated" - not "A new, smaller home"
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3778 on: July 20, 2023, 02:07:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
What makes you think they can get it right this time? Not saying that is a reason to stop trying. Just would be nice if non-profits would step up instead of hording cash for their executives.

I actually do know of a group that provides services and housing for the homeless. They do a good job, but they do not deal with the people who refuse to take their meds. Not equipped to handle them.

There is always hope. However, that is offset by ignorance, greed, and hatred.

I don't have confidence the government will get it right. I have a lot less confidence in Republicans than Democrats. The Republican solution is blame the unemployed, sick, poor, and homeless.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3779 on: July 20, 2023, 02:09:43 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
What makes you think they can get it right this time? Not saying that is a reason to stop trying. Just would be nice if non-profits would step up instead of hording cash for their executives.

I actually do know of a group that provides services and housing for the homeless. They do a good job, but they do not deal with the people who refuse to take their meds. Not equipped to handle them.

Thats a pretty broad brushstroke.  Chicago has some very good non-profits providing services to the homeless.  Here's just a few:

https://www.mhchicago.org/

https://www.hugheyfamilyfoundation.org/

https://www.goodnewspartners.org/

https://sarahs-circle.org/

https://www.chicagohopesforkids.org/

https://www.revivecenter.org/






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