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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3540 on: June 08, 2023, 10:36:11 PM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3542 on: June 10, 2023, 08:53:50 AM »
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A healthy kind of anti-racism would also need to resist the now-fashionable temptation amongst many on the progressive left to stigmatize white people for two reasons: it's wrong, I think, on its own terms, but I also think it's not very effective. If you're trying to persuade a group of people to come on your side, trying to stigmatize them seems like an extremely counterproductive way. And I think it is
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« Reply #3544 on: June 10, 2023, 12:07:58 PM »
Ding ding ding

"A healthy kind of anti-racism would be one that is genuinely committed to viewing black people as a diverse group of people, rather than as a homogenous bloc."

I don't think this part, the main point of the article, is a ding ding ding. To me that implies something obvious that has been missed.


Black populations of African descent are quite diverse depending on the country, and sorting it out is complex.

For example, African Americans largely descended from 800,000 slaves imported from Africa to North America. Not many know that. History books don't even generally distinguish them from the millions that were imported to Central and South America.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3545 on: June 10, 2023, 01:15:32 PM »
Slavery and racism were much different in the new world Spanish and Portuguese colonies. Note the racist element in calling this the new world or the Americas. There were humans here before the Vikings, Columbus, and Vespucci.

Chattel Slavery was a unique institution to the United States.

Iirc, One issue with affirmative action is it helps educated recent immigrants from Africa who weren't affected by Chattel Slavery or American Jim Crow.
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« Reply #3546 on: June 10, 2023, 01:28:41 PM »
Good points but I was talking specifically about the problem with stigmatizing white people in order to somehow advance anti-racist ideology. White people are still the majority in the US, actively demonizing them probably isn’t an effective means of persuasion.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3548 on: June 10, 2023, 01:46:11 PM »
Ding ding ding

Shocked this gets an endorsement from custard. Shocked, I say.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3549 on: June 10, 2023, 01:49:48 PM »
I’m a white man. Grew up with the privileges that provides. I’m also not so sensitive about it that I don’t think white people don’t “got some ‘splainin’ to do.”
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3550 on: June 10, 2023, 01:54:51 PM »
I’m a white man. Grew up with the privileges that provides. I’m also not so sensitive about it that I don’t think white people don’t “got some ‘splainin’ to do.”

Does this mean you are whitesplaining a Black British man?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3551 on: June 10, 2023, 02:01:06 PM »
What am I thinking? What are the odds Tempo even read the interview? We know Nichi did. Well done,  Nichi!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3552 on: June 10, 2023, 07:00:48 PM »
Does this mean you are whitesplaining a Black British man?

He has an opinion. Just like everyone else.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3553 on: June 10, 2023, 07:51:43 PM »
He has an opinion. Just like everyone else.

Looks like you were whitesplaining a British Black man.
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« Reply #3554 on: June 10, 2023, 10:22:31 PM »
Good points but I was talking specifically about the problem with stigmatizing white people in order to somehow advance anti-racist ideology. White people are still the majority in the US, actively demonizing them probably isn’t an effective means of persuasion.

I got that. Pulling that out of the larger context of the article tends to look like one is dodging the problem of white privilege.

I do think white privilege exists, though not necessarily in the individual forms the left usually cites. It's pretty much inherent and pervasive in European / Christian / Western Civilization.
 
Individually, a white male should not feel guilty because his race and gender was not traditionally counted against him when obtaining credit or health insurance. It is not his individual fault that the system screwed black people. Yet the system did and governments and extant corporations are responsible.

When we talk about the government owing reparations to Indian tribes for treaty violations, no one seems to  thinks that's unfair to white taxpayers who were not even born yet when the trail of tears happened.

But mention reparations for slavery and Jim Crow or try teaching CRT,  look out. You might hurt some white person's feelings. 
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