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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3405 on: June 07, 2023, 12:37:50 PM »
A very American attitude.  Our country was built on stealing land, stealing labor, stealing lives.

That isn’t a positive thing though.

PAMan’s favorite president is probably Andrew Jackson.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3406 on: June 07, 2023, 12:39:03 PM »
As long as you, you know, totally ignore every civil rights movement ever - sure.

If you actually look at the history though, the opposite is true.  None have ever had success with the “don’t call a bigot a bigot” method.  Has just never happened.

I think you are wrong.

But you seem to be having a lot of success persuading others here, so carry on!
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« Reply #3407 on: June 07, 2023, 12:39:53 PM »
I think you are wrong.

But you seem to be having a lot of success persuading others here, so carry on!

Find an example then.

One civil rights movement that had success with the “don’t call out the oppressors” strategy.  Shouldn’t be hard given the “arc of history” you claimed a few minutes ago.

There are obviously any number of examples of successful civil rights movement where the strategy was, call out the bigotry and fight against it, don’t let up, don’t be intimidated.  But can’t think of a single example of the opposite.

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« Reply #3408 on: June 07, 2023, 12:40:02 PM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3409 on: June 07, 2023, 12:42:00 PM »
PAMan’s favorite president is probably Andrew Jackson.
Weird, since he was the first President from the then West and was more of a "man of the people" than his predecessors.

He sure hated Indians, I can tell you that. Probably ranked them above the British though. He really hated them too. And Federalists....
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« Reply #3410 on: June 07, 2023, 12:43:09 PM »


That you cannot figure out the difference between demands and calling people dumb or bigots is telling. Not unexpected.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3411 on: June 07, 2023, 12:44:02 PM »
Not calling a bigot a bigot benefits exactly one person.

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« Reply #3412 on: June 07, 2023, 12:44:50 PM »
Not calling a bigot a bigot benefits exactly one person.

Ding!
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3413 on: June 07, 2023, 12:46:00 PM »
That you cannot figure out the difference between demands and calling people dumb or bigots is telling. Not unexpected.

You are on stupid mother fucker if you think playing nice to bigots is a good way to end bigotry.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3414 on: June 07, 2023, 12:48:33 PM »
Not calling a bigot a bigot benefits exactly one person.

I apparently missed the part where Dr. King and Ghandi called everyone bigots and dumb instead of trying to get people to empathize. Interesting.
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« Reply #3415 on: June 07, 2023, 12:49:36 PM »
I apparently missed the part where Dr. King and Ghandi called everyone bigots and dumb instead of trying to get people to empathize. Interesting.

They called out the bigotry loudly and often.  They certainly did not tell people “if someone is being racist make sure you don’t call them a racist”.  And it’s a good thing too, because that has never worked.

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« Reply #3416 on: June 07, 2023, 12:49:41 PM »
I apparently missed the part where Dr. King and Ghandi called everyone bigots and dumb instead of trying to get people to empathize. Interesting.

They appealed to the masses (and the moderates). Not the bigots. The bigots still hate Dr. King.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3417 on: June 07, 2023, 12:49:48 PM »
You are on stupid mother fucker if you think playing nice to bigots is a good way to end bigotry.

Guilty of trying to reason with self righteous dumb motherfuckers here? Guilty as charged.
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« Reply #3418 on: June 07, 2023, 12:51:11 PM »
“ Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass  effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an  aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America  believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial  investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to  Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for  all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for  contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about  equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the  ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He  remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly  raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step  forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3419 on: June 07, 2023, 12:51:56 PM »
They called out the bigotry loudly and often.  They certainly did not tell people “if someone is being racist make sure you don’t call them a racist”.  And it’s a good thing too, because that has never worked.

Yes, he did. But he was not saying Judge Judy you are dumb or a bigot. He sought to try and have Judge Judy empathize.
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