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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3315 on: June 06, 2023, 04:28:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 06, 2023, 04:22:46 PM
If they are using the restroom and then leaving, then I don't feel the need to "asauge" anything.  If someone minding their business using the restroom really makes JudgeJudy that mad because of what she imagines is in their pants, that's on Judy, not the person in the restroom.

I am guessing Judge Judy is more concerned about Perv Bob being that person in the restroom instead of "Pat."
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3316 on: June 06, 2023, 04:29:25 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:25:07 PM
He's not in there. His daughter is.

Then trust your daughter if she says "that person was watching me in the bathroom" - the same thing I'd say about a cis woman watching her in the bathroom.

Assault is a crime, regardless of gender.  Spying on someone in the restroom is a crime, regardless of gender.  If someone commits those crimes against Judy or her daughter, she should tell the police regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.  If the person's only "crime" is wearing a wig in the women's room while they do their business and leave, then Judy needs to grow up a little and get over it - certainly MAKING that into a crime isn't the answer. 

Judy wants to criminalize the person in the wig minding their business, using the restroom, and leaving because of what genitalia she suspects they have.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3317 on: June 06, 2023, 04:30:13 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:28:30 PM
I am guessing Judge Judy is more concerned about Perv Bob being that person in the restroom instead of "Pat."

That's because JudgeJudy is an open bigot.

Again, that's on her - not anybody else.

The notion that we should legislate in such a way that makes open bigots most comfortable is not one I subscribe to.

This was the same logic that resulted in whites only restrooms for many years, no?  What if a black person assaults me or spies on me in the restroom!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3318 on: June 06, 2023, 04:33:43 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 06, 2023, 04:29:25 PM
Then trust your daughter if she says "that person was watching me in the bathroom" - the same thing I'd say about a cis woman watching her in the bathroom.

Assault is a crime, regardless of gender.  Spying on someone in the restroom is a crime, regardless of gender.  If someone commits those crimes against Judy or her daughter, she should tell the police regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.  If the person's only crime is wearing a wig in the women's room while they do their business and leave, then Judy needs to grow up a little and get over it. 

Judy wants to criminalize the person in the wig minding their business, using the restroom, and leaving because of what genitalia she suspects they have.

I can only speculate that maybe it is his concern that this opens the door to more "Perv Bobs" dressing in drag to hang out in women's restrooms and that, if things really really go south, his daughter is scarred for life regardless of the law on assaults and peeping?

I am skeptical that it will lead to more of "that," but that does not mean that others are not.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3319 on: June 06, 2023, 04:34:57 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:33:43 PM
I can only speculate that maybe it is his concern that this opens the door to more "Perv Bobs" dressing in drag to hang out in women's restrooms and that, if things really really go south, his daughter is scarred for life regardless of the law on assaults and peeping?

I am skeptical that it will lead to more of "that," but that does not mean that others are not.

"bigots are scared of trans people".  No shit?

Capitulating to that mindset isn't the answer.

Perv Bob can already go in the women's room and assault someone or spy on someone, right now.  Doesn't need a wig, and it is just as illegal as it would be if he had it on.

The notion that we should make it so the crime is Bob in the Wig being in the bathroom rather than spying on or assaulting someone is lunacy.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3320 on: June 06, 2023, 04:39:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 06, 2023, 04:30:13 PM
That's because JudgeJudy is an open bigot.

Again, that's on her - not anybody else.

The notion that we should legislate in such a way that makes open bigots most comfortable is not one I subscribe to.

This was the same logic that resulted in whites only restrooms for many years, no?  What if a black person assaults me or spies on me in the restroom!

You say this type of stuff and it does not help. The point is to try and persuade a Judge Judy, if he bothers to read this, to reexamine his views. One would think the tragic story you posted would do that. But I think you have to account for these type of fears. It is not as if it has never ever happened. Is it bigotry at its core? Maybe. Maybe not. You could be right. You could be wrong.

Do you have a daughter? I don't, but I had young kids once....
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3321 on: June 06, 2023, 04:40:34 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 06, 2023, 04:34:57 PM
"bigots are scared of trans people".  No shit?

Capitulating to that mindset isn't the answer.

Perv Bob can already go in the women's room and assault someone or spy on someone, right now.  Doesn't need a wig, and it is just as illegal as it would be if he had it on.

The notion that we should make it so the crime is Bob in the Wig being in the bathroom rather than spying on or assaulting someone is lunacy.

Bad actors use loopholes in the law all the time.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3322 on: June 06, 2023, 04:41:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:39:14 PM
You say this type of stuff and it does not help. The point is to try and persuade a Judge Judy, if he bothers to read this, to reexamine his views. One would think the tragic story you posted would do that. But I think you have to account for these type of fears. It is not as if it has never ever happened. Is it bigotry at its core? Maybe. Maybe not. You could be right. You could be wrong.

Do you have a daughter? I don't, but I had young kids once....

It's probably happened that a trans person assaulted someone in a restroom, but far far far more often a cis person has assaulted someone in a restroom.  Trans people are way more likely to be the victims of violent crime because of people like Judy than the perpetrators.

I don't have a daughter - I do have an 11 year old niece.  Would not think twice about a trans woman being in the restroom with her.  Would be very angry at a person who spied on or assaulted her in the restroom no matter that person's gender.  I think that's only reasonable, no?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3323 on: June 06, 2023, 04:42:12 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 06, 2023, 04:34:57 PM
"bigots are scared of trans people".  No shit?

Capitulating to that mindset isn't the answer.

Perv Bob can already go in the women's room and assault someone or spy on someone, right now.  Doesn't need a wig, and it is just as illegal as it would be if he had it on.

The notion that we should make it so the crime is Bob in the Wig being in the bathroom rather than spying on or assaulting someone is lunacy.

Being completely dismissive to the possible concerns of a parent in this situation tells me you have no kids.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3324 on: June 06, 2023, 04:43:00 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:40:34 PM
Bad actors use loopholes in the law all the time.

Which is why these laws specifically aimed at trans people make sense?

Yes, bad actors use loopholes in the law all the time.  They do that regardless of gender, sex, sexuality, race, etc.

The laws we are discussing are aimed specifically at trans people.  They're not aimed at the bad actors - the things you're talking about like spying on someone in the restroom are already against the law.  They're aimed at trans people.
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« Reply #3325 on: June 06, 2023, 04:44:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:42:12 PM
Being completely dismissive to the possible concerns of a parent in this situation tells me you have no kids.

I mean, how far are we willing to go here?

If a parent's really concerned an asteroid is going to hit Earth tomorrow should we stop everything?

I'm very cognizant of concerns of parents, but not ones borne of bigotry.  My guess is you wouldn't be here defending someone scared of a black person entering a restroom after their daughter, you'd be dismissive of that - and guess what, a black person's surely assaulted someone in a restroom before.  But you would not defend that, because it's not based in any real logical concern, only bigotry.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3326 on: June 06, 2023, 04:46:08 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 06, 2023, 04:41:40 PM
It's probably happened that a trans person assaulted someone in a restroom, but far far far more often a cis person has assaulted someone in a restroom.

I don't have a daughter - I do have an 11 year old niece.  Would not think twice about a trans woman being in the restroom with her.  Would be very angry at a person who spied on or assaulted her in the restroom no matter that person's gender.  I think that's only reasonable, no?

Perv Bob is not a "trans person" in this hypothetical. He is a person seeking to take advantage of a situation. Like psychopaths can do.

The issue becomes how do you know that it is "Pat" and not "Perv Bob"? I do not think that you can. Maybe there is no good answer here for Judge Judy to feel better. Which may be why he is against this.
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« Reply #3327 on: June 06, 2023, 04:47:27 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:46:08 PM
Perv Bob is not a "trans person" in this hypothetical. He is a person seeking to take advantage of a situation. Like psychopaths can do.

The issue becomes how do you know that it is "Pat" and not "Perv Bob"? I do not think that you can. Maybe there is no good answer here for Judge Judy to feel better. Which may be why he is against this.

If they're a pervert and a creep then Perv Bob, sans wig, entering the men's room after my son would concern me exactly as much.  But if we acknowledge that fact, then we would have to recognize that the anti-trans bills being passed by conservatives around the country aren't really about our kids' safety at all.  Bob assaulting or spying on your kid is ALREADY a crime, regardless of gender or location or whether he's wearing a wig.

If they're just Bob in a Wig using the restroom and minding their business and your initial reaction is "he's a pervert trying to assault my kid", that's on you - not Bob.

Can you come up with one example of a Perv Bob putting on a wig, going into the women's room, committing a crime, and not being prosecuted because Bob said they were trans?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3328 on: June 06, 2023, 04:54:21 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 06, 2023, 04:43:00 PM
Which is why these laws specifically aimed at trans people make sense?

Yes, bad actors use loopholes in the law all the time.  They do that regardless of gender, sex, sexuality, race, etc.

The laws we are discussing are aimed specifically at trans people.  They're not aimed at the bad actors - the things you're talking about like spying on someone in the restroom are already against the law.  They're aimed at trans people.

Aren't they aimed at keeping "biological men" in the men's room and out of the women's room?

If it is a criminal law, "Perv Bob" who is not a trans person can be prosecuted for going into the women's bathroom without having to prove assault or peeping. It also prevents "Pat" from going into the women's room. Granted, that is a "feature," not a "bug" for many. I will give him the benefit of the doubt here and assume that a Judge Judy may agree with said bill not because he wants to "harm" "Pat", but because he wants to prevent "Perv Bob" from being in the women's bathroom with his daughter and he cannot tell if "Pat" is "Perv Bob" or not, so "Pat" is SOL here.

I personally agree it is unfair to "Pat" and doubt it is going to keep "Perv Bob" out of the bathroom.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #3329 on: June 06, 2023, 04:58:13 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 06, 2023, 04:54:21 PM
Aren't they aimed at keeping "biological men" in the men's room and out of the women's room?

If it is a criminal law, "Perv Bob" who is not a trans person can be prosecuted for going into the women's bathroom without having to prove assault or peeping. It also prevents "Pat" from going into the women's room. Granted, that is a "feature," not a "bug" for many. I will give him the benefit of the doubt here and assume that a Judge Judy may agree with said bill not because he wants to "harm" "Pat", but because he wants to prevent "Perv Bob" from being in the women's bathroom with his daughter and he cannot tell if "Pat" is "Perv Bob" or not, so "Pat" is SOL here.

I personally agree it is unfair to "Pat" and doubt it is going to keep "Perv Bob" out of the bathroom.

But why would we want to criminalize someone going into the women's room, using the restroom, minding their own business, and leaving?  Why should that be a crime?

Perv Bob can ALREADY enter the women's room with Judy's daughter, even in the states with anti-trans bathroom laws, and it's already a crime if he assaults or spies on her.  That's true everywhere in America, right now - if you spy on or assault someone it's a crime.  Judy wants to also make it a crime for a trans person - say Bonnie (formerly Bob) in a wig - to mind their own business and use the restroom.

It doesn't solve the problem even a little bit, it's completely unenforceable short of checking in everyone's pants, and it opens up trans people to violent assaults against them - which they're already 400% more likely to have occur than a cis person.  If you think that's a bug and not a feature to the "I'll cut their dick off and shove it down their throat" crowd, you shouldn't call others naive.
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