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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #765 on: December 30, 2020, 09:11:34 AM »
Let me google that for you

Thanks. Was wondering if there would be an unofficial one. What else are they going to do with a those roses?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #766 on: December 30, 2020, 12:46:07 PM »
Thanks. Was wondering if there would be an unofficial one. What else are they going to do with a those roses?

Well, we do have 300k excess deaths in the US this year to send sympathy flowers.

No way you can build a float in COVID times without infecting everyone, those are pretty labor intensive exploits.
I'm guessing this was canned long before any announcement, how can all those high school bands who haven't practiced then fly together out to LA, etc...

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #767 on: December 30, 2020, 01:04:25 PM »
It's a shit show. What a disappointment - we spent months in the lowest 1/3 of states per capita and then went straight to the top of the chart. Complacency, fatigue, who knows. People will earn some very interesting PhD's in sociology and statistics poring over the data - how did California stay low for COVID during the wildfires when the whole state was evacuating into shelters, but then when the fires died down, the cases shot up?

A lot of the Bay Area Counties would still be in the middle of the pack if they were states, but all have tripled or quadrupled. We are at the top because the four biggest counties in the state, down in Southern California, are all having monster outbreaks.

No reason for me to leave, I got here early enough that my housing situation isn't a disaster. But there are a lot of people making 150k/year who look at the bottom line of paying 60k a year in rent and thinking that at 150k, I should be rolling in so much dough I don't even have to think about "a budget" but instead I have to eat Top Ramen if I ever want to own a home, and the weather and the scenery and the entertainment options aren't worth it. COVID has added to this in that companies have now had to build the capability for distributed work and if a few companies embrace it, then any company that doesn't will lose too many people. So there is impetus for trying to put in another hub somewhere so you don't end up with every employee living someplace completely random, instead giving them a few choices where you can try to hold on to the ability to gather groups.

But if 10% of "tech" were actually to leave, housing prices would come back down pretty fast and people wouldn't have to make that choice anymore, and Silicon Valley would still be the epicenter of everything. I mean, if all these companies actually left (for example Oracle is moving their HQ but has 10,000 plus employees in their buildings in Redwood Shores that aren't gonna want to all move) - the Bay Area tech presence would still be 3-4x what it was 20 years ago.


Tech companies come and go like clockwork. When I lived in the Bay Area, Google, Facebook, ebay & PayPal didn't yet exist. Companies still used Netware and Silicon Graphics (or Sun Microsystems) workstations, while millions of people were using AOL and WordPerfect. Oops.

In the early 90s, I lived down the street from the Oracle campus on the shores of Lake Ellison. Paid $870/month for a studio apartment. Cheapest 1BR apartment (studio is no longer available) at the complex now is $2,200+. Back then, quite a few of my neighbors worked for Oracle or the airlines (SFO is @10 miles away). When I get back to the Bay Area, I like to drive around the Peninsula and reminisce. Sadly, no Tower Records or The Good Guys around anymore. At least Caltrain has elevated the line to eliminate most (if not all) of the grade crossings in the area. Many of my friends from that period have moved out of the Bay Area because of the high housing cost. Even neighborhoods in SF that were once industrial (e.g., Potrero Hill, Dogpatch, Bayview Hunter's Point) have become pricey.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #768 on: December 30, 2020, 01:06:37 PM »
This kind of nonsense isn’t particularly helpful right now.

Police respond as maskless protesters force their way into Erewhon Market in Fairfax

“About 50 people protested safety guidelines by either taking off their masks inside the store or entering without a face covering, LAPD said.”

“It’s very frustrating because in L.A. right now we have less than 0% capacity ICU beds,” said one bystander, who gave his name only as Cody. “The least you could do is wear a mask. And I don’t know why you’re trying to attack a business that’s just trying to survive during the pandemic.”

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/maskless-protesters-gather-outside-erewhon-market-in-fairfax/

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #769 on: December 30, 2020, 04:09:31 PM »
They resisted lockdowns but refused to wear masks. They demand an end to lockdowns and still refuse to wear masks.

These are truly the stupidest people.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #770 on: December 30, 2020, 04:17:28 PM »
All, it looks like the House and Senate are going to have to vote whether to accept the election results.

In a way this is good. I want to see just how many Republicans are willing to choose this fucking wart of a human being over the Constitution and the basic principles of democracy. I think for every Republican congressperson or Senator who votes against accepting the election results, that will be one more year before I’ll ever consider voting for a Republican again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #771 on: December 30, 2020, 04:39:01 PM »


Tech companies come and go like clockwork. When I lived in the Bay Area, Google, Facebook, ebay & PayPal didn't yet exist. Companies still used Netware and Silicon Graphics (or Sun Microsystems) workstations, while millions of people were using AOL and WordPerfect. Oops.

In the early 90s, I lived down the street from the Oracle campus on the shores of Lake Ellison. Paid $870/month for a studio apartment. Cheapest 1BR apartment (studio is no longer available) at the complex now is $2,200+. Back then, quite a few of my neighbors worked for Oracle or the airlines (SFO is @10 miles away). When I get back to the Bay Area, I like to drive around the Peninsula and reminisce. Sadly, no Tower Records or The Good Guys around anymore. At least Caltrain has elevated the line to eliminate most (if not all) of the grade crossings in the area. Many of my friends from that period have moved out of the Bay Area because of the high housing cost. Even neighborhoods in SF that were once industrial (e.g., Potrero Hill, Dogpatch, Bayview Hunter's Point) have become pricey.

I miss the old WordPerfect (not the WordPerfect that tried to act like Word). I would not mourn if Bill Gates choked on his own vomit and Word just disappeared. Terrible program.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #772 on: December 30, 2020, 09:01:47 PM »
I miss the old WordPerfect (not the WordPerfect that tried to act like Word). I would not mourn if Bill Gates choked on his own vomit and Word just disappeared. Terrible program.

WordPerfect 5.1 (DOS) was a great program, arguably the best one ever written for DOS (possible exception of SimCity). Clean interface, really fast -- especially if you knew the keyboard shortcuts, great macro capabilities, unparalleled formatting control and awesome printer support.

If you're still interested in using WordPerfect for DOS, check out the site below. Some die-hards still use WP5.1 for DOS with Windows 7 and apparently Windows 10.
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/
 
Too bad WordPerfect completely missed the boat on Windows (as did Ashton-Tate, Lotus, Novell and others). The way late-to-the-market first release of WP for Windows (5.1) is one of the worst software programs ever released on ANY platform. I had the misfortune of using it years ago. Flat-out garbage -- and I'm being kind. Once Microsoft rolled out MS Office suite, it was game over.

MS Word is a solid program. Perhaps overkill for those who only need to draft a letter or memo. I don't care for the current subscription-based software model Microsoft tries to push for Office; nor do I need most of the new features. Collaboration tools? So someone can completely f*ck up a spreadsheet model I've spent weeks working on? Great... Hey Microsoft, leave well enough alone so I don't have to relearn where everything is each time there is a major new release (especially for Excel). 

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #773 on: December 30, 2020, 11:25:42 PM »
WordPerfect 5.1 (DOS) was a great program, arguably the best one ever written for DOS (possible exception of SimCity). Clean interface, really fast -- especially if you knew the keyboard shortcuts, great macro capabilities, unparalleled formatting control and awesome printer support.

If you're still interested in using WordPerfect for DOS, check out the site below. Some die-hards still use WP5.1 for DOS with Windows 7 and apparently Windows 10.
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/
 
Too bad WordPerfect completely missed the boat on Windows (as did Ashton-Tate, Lotus, Novell and others). The way late-to-the-market first release of WP for Windows (5.1) is one of the worst software programs ever released on ANY platform. I had the misfortune of using it years ago. Flat-out garbage -- and I'm being kind. Once Microsoft rolled out MS Office suite, it was game over.

MS Word is a solid program. Perhaps overkill for those who only need to draft a letter or memo. I don't care for the current subscription-based software model Microsoft tries to push for Office; nor do I need most of the new features. Collaboration tools? So someone can completely f*ck up a spreadsheet model I've spent weeks working on? Great... Hey Microsoft, leave well enough alone so I don't have to relearn where everything is each time there is a major new release (especially for Excel).

The automatic formatting on the paragraph numbering in Word is the bane of my fucking existence. I'd like to chain the moron who wrote that code to the back of my car like the dog in the original Vacation movie.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #774 on: December 31, 2020, 10:06:52 AM »
There is a tendency to fix things that are not actually broken, and often fuck them up in the process. Case in point, what ATT did to DirecTV.
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« Reply #775 on: December 31, 2020, 10:10:39 AM »
There is a tendency to fix things that are not actually broken, and often fuck them up in the process. Case in point, what ATT did to DirecTV.

software engineers need to justify their continued employment so there will always be changes, small and large, good and bad
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« Reply #776 on: December 31, 2020, 10:13:33 AM »
Why do Republicans want to repeal Section 230? Shortsighted revenge?
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« Reply #777 on: December 31, 2020, 11:02:16 AM »
Why do Republicans want to repeal Section 230? Shortsighted revenge?

times have changed since it was passed in 1996, and the social media services IMO do wield a bit too much power, but I'm not certain repealing this will do anything about it to be honest, as with all government intervention, it will likely just make things worse
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« Reply #778 on: December 31, 2020, 11:17:27 AM »
All, it looks like the House and Senate are going to have to vote whether to accept the election results.

In a way this is good. I want to see just how many Republicans are willing to choose this fucking wart of a human being over the Constitution and the basic principles of democracy. I think for every Republican congressperson or Senator who votes against accepting the election results, that will be one more year before I’ll ever consider voting for a Republican again.

It's an incredibly cynical game these congressional Republicans are playing, something between a fundraiser and an insurgence.   It’s like dousing a house fire with gasoline instead of trying to put it out.  They're egging the idiots on.   


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« Reply #779 on: January 01, 2021, 02:16:09 PM »
times have changed since it was passed in 1996, and the social media services IMO do wield a bit too much power, but I'm not certain repealing this will do anything about it to be honest, as with all government intervention, it will likely just make things worse

There is a lot of misinformation out there. I was told that 230 only protects social media is they don't "censor," but as soon as they try to control content; they become a publisher, not a platform, and are liable for user provided content. That is backassward.  Prior to 230, ISPs that moderated content were deemed publishers. Section 230 allows user driven interactive media to set standards and moderate content. The intent was so they can keep the porn out, not to censor weird political views or weed out fake news.

The best argument for repeal is it was meant to apply to ISPs, not Social Media that  function somewhat like publishers. Why should facebook and twiiter get a pass, while MSM like NTY or WSJ do not? The response is, the MSM are publishers, not user driven interactive media. They could set up interactive media and get the same protection.

Another argument for repeal is facebook and  twitter are left center biased. The response is the 1st amendment. Go start something like Parler. 

Another argument for repeal is is the general lack of accountability for stuff posted on social media.  This is also a defense of 230. Someone mentioned the videos of police misconduct posted by users. If Facebook et al could be sued by the officers; they might be reluctant to allow the posts.

Nobody is sure what repeal of 230 would do. One educated guess is social media would either screen all posts; or would only moderate criminal behavior.  That would suck.
   
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