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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #750 on: December 29, 2020, 08:41:52 AM »
Murph, California does not seem to be handling the COVID very well these days. And the tech companies are leaving too. You moving to Texas?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #751 on: December 29, 2020, 09:45:07 AM »
Tech isn't leaving California. But they're shopping out the labor, as usual.

Austin has been a tech hub for more than two decades. That's also not unusual.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #753 on: December 29, 2020, 01:05:39 PM »
How to downplay covid-19:

Focus on death rates and death ages;  then misrepresent the data.

Distort the data on immediate cause of death and comorbidities.

Twist the facts on masks and social distancing. I have seen claims that cloth masks block O2 and trap CO2, but allow the corona virus to pass through freely.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #754 on: December 29, 2020, 01:23:35 PM »
Murph, California does not seem to be handling the COVID very well these days. And the tech companies are leaving too. You moving to Texas?

It's a shit show. What a disappointment - we spent months in the lowest 1/3 of states per capita and then went straight to the top of the chart. Complacency, fatigue, who knows. People will earn some very interesting PhD's in sociology and statistics poring over the data - how did California stay low for COVID during the wildfires when the whole state was evacuating into shelters, but then when the fires died down, the cases shot up?

A lot of the Bay Area Counties would still be in the middle of the pack if they were states, but all have tripled or quadrupled. We are at the top because the four biggest counties in the state, down in Southern California, are all having monster outbreaks.

No reason for me to leave, I got here early enough that my housing situation isn't a disaster. But there are a lot of people making 150k/year who look at the bottom line of paying 60k a year in rent and thinking that at 150k, I should be rolling in so much dough I don't even have to think about "a budget" but instead I have to eat Top Ramen if I ever want to own a home, and the weather and the scenery and the entertainment options aren't worth it. COVID has added to this in that companies have now had to build the capability for distributed work and if a few companies embrace it, then any company that doesn't will lose too many people. So there is impetus for trying to put in another hub somewhere so you don't end up with every employee living someplace completely random, instead giving them a few choices where you can try to hold on to the ability to gather groups.

But if 10% of "tech" were actually to leave, housing prices would come back down pretty fast and people wouldn't have to make that choice anymore, and Silicon Valley would still be the epicenter of everything. I mean, if all these companies actually left (for example Oracle is moving their HQ but has 10,000 plus employees in their buildings in Redwood Shores that aren't gonna want to all move) - the Bay Area tech presence would still be 3-4x what it was 20 years ago.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #755 on: December 29, 2020, 01:48:05 PM »
How to downplay covid-19:

Focus on death rates and death ages;  then misrepresent the data.

Distort the data on immediate cause of death and comorbidities.

Twist the facts on masks and social distancing. I have seen claims that cloth masks block O2 and trap CO2, but allow the corona virus to pass through freely.

they learned it from the WHO I guess...

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #756 on: December 29, 2020, 01:49:36 PM »
It's a shit show. What a disappointment - we spent months in the lowest 1/3 of states per capita and then went straight to the top of the chart. Complacency, fatigue, who knows. People will earn some very interesting PhD's in sociology and statistics poring over the data - how did California stay low for COVID during the wildfires when the whole state was evacuating into shelters, but then when the fires died down, the cases shot up?

A lot of the Bay Area Counties would still be in the middle of the pack if they were states, but all have tripled or quadrupled. We are at the top because the four biggest counties in the state, down in Southern California, are all having monster outbreaks.

No reason for me to leave, I got here early enough that my housing situation isn't a disaster. But there are a lot of people making 150k/year who look at the bottom line of paying 60k a year in rent and thinking that at 150k, I should be rolling in so much dough I don't even have to think about "a budget" but instead I have to eat Top Ramen if I ever want to own a home, and the weather and the scenery and the entertainment options aren't worth it. COVID has added to this in that companies have now had to build the capability for distributed work and if a few companies embrace it, then any company that doesn't will lose too many people. So there is impetus for trying to put in another hub somewhere so you don't end up with every employee living someplace completely random, instead giving them a few choices where you can try to hold on to the ability to gather groups.

But if 10% of "tech" were actually to leave, housing prices would come back down pretty fast and people wouldn't have to make that choice anymore, and Silicon Valley would still be the epicenter of everything. I mean, if all these companies actually left (for example Oracle is moving their HQ but has 10,000 plus employees in their buildings in Redwood Shores that aren't gonna want to all move) - the Bay Area tech presence would still be 3-4x what it was 20 years ago.

blame it on climate change like you do with everything else murph

https://e360.yale.edu/digest/study-finds-link-between-flu-risk-and-wild-weather-swings

this is actually a pretty interesting study people should read though

one from 2013 as well https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-sheds-light-role-climate-influenza-transmission
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #757 on: December 29, 2020, 01:51:17 PM »
It's a shit show. What a disappointment - we spent months in the lowest 1/3 of states per capita and then went straight to the top of the chart. Complacency, fatigue, who knows. People will earn some very interesting PhD's in sociology and statistics poring over the data - how did California stay low for COVID during the wildfires when the whole state was evacuating into shelters, but then when the fires died down, the cases shot up?

A lot of the Bay Area Counties would still be in the middle of the pack if they were states, but all have tripled or quadrupled. We are at the top because the four biggest counties in the state, down in Southern California, are all having monster outbreaks.

No reason for me to leave, I got here early enough that my housing situation isn't a disaster. But there are a lot of people making 150k/year who look at the bottom line of paying 60k a year in rent and thinking that at 150k, I should be rolling in so much dough I don't even have to think about "a budget" but instead I have to eat Top Ramen if I ever want to own a home, and the weather and the scenery and the entertainment options aren't worth it. COVID has added to this in that companies have now had to build the capability for distributed work and if a few companies embrace it, then any company that doesn't will lose too many people. So there is impetus for trying to put in another hub somewhere so you don't end up with every employee living someplace completely random, instead giving them a few choices where you can try to hold on to the ability to gather groups.

But if 10% of "tech" were actually to leave, housing prices would come back down pretty fast and people wouldn't have to make that choice anymore, and Silicon Valley would still be the epicenter of everything. I mean, if all these companies actually left (for example Oracle is moving their HQ but has 10,000 plus employees in their buildings in Redwood Shores that aren't gonna want to all move) - the Bay Area tech presence would still be 3-4x what it was 20 years ago.

All went downhill when Newsome got caught eating out with the lobbyists.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #758 on: December 29, 2020, 02:31:20 PM »
they learned it from the WHO I guess...


So do you just not understand how science works, or are you being intentionally dense?

Legitimate scientists don’t say things unless they can prove it, or at least have a very strong indication. Once there is evidence, the message may change, depending on what the evidence shows.

The scientific community had no idea what it was dealing with in January. They weren’t misleading, they just didn’t know. And unlike idiots on the internet, when scientists don’t know for sure, they don’t emit a steady stream of garbage from their ass, they say, “There’s no evidence that .....”

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #759 on: December 29, 2020, 02:33:49 PM »
All went downhill when Newsome got caught eating out with the lobbyists.
Correlation isn't causation but the correlation is definitely there. Thing is, he's an SF Pol who's the Governor up in Sacramento and it happened in Napa - but the spike is in Los Angeles. Pritzker has more visibility downstate because the Capitol is Springfield, there is this weird thing in California where the state is so big that the Governor is sort of an unknown to half the state, everyone up here knows Newsom's backstory but he's just some gel hair guy to the South. Same with Brown, who was Mayor of Oakland, and huge swaths of the state are either too young or weren't living here when he was Governor in the 70's.

Arnold the obvious exception.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #760 on: December 29, 2020, 02:59:41 PM »
Other ways to downplay the pandemic:

Distort what was known and when and by who. Seize upon apparent inconsistencies.

One I am seeing more often in social media is to borrow a page from the election deniers and just make shit up. Someone told me that the overall death rate is declining for all age groups. Another claimed "they" stopped testing for seasonal flu.


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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #761 on: December 29, 2020, 04:34:47 PM »
Other ways to downplay the pandemic:

Distort what was known and when and by who. Seize upon apparent inconsistencies.

One I am seeing more often in social media is to borrow a page from the election deniers and just make shit up. Someone told me that the overall death rate is declining for all age groups. Another claimed "they" stopped testing for seasonal flu.
Fauci said in March that we didn’t need to wear masks, and now we do? I think that speaks for itself. Clearly this is a liberal conspiracy to control us all. There’s really no other explanation for that type of rank hypocrisy.

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« Reply #762 on: December 29, 2020, 10:57:50 PM »
So do you just not understand how science works, or are you being intentionally dense?

Legitimate scientists don’t say things unless they can prove it, or at least have a very strong indication. Once there is evidence, the message may change, depending on what the evidence shows.

The scientific community had no idea what it was dealing with in January. They weren’t misleading, they just didn’t know. And unlike idiots on the internet, when scientists don’t know for sure, they don’t emit a steady stream of garbage from their ass, they say, “There’s no evidence that .....”

China lied and a whole lot of people died
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« Reply #763 on: December 29, 2020, 11:14:26 PM »
Correlation isn't causation but the correlation is definitely there. Thing is, he's an SF Pol who's the Governor up in Sacramento and it happened in Napa - but the spike is in Los Angeles. Pritzker has more visibility downstate because the Capitol is Springfield, there is this weird thing in California where the state is so big that the Governor is sort of an unknown to half the state, everyone up here knows Newsom's backstory but he's just some gel hair guy to the South. Same with Brown, who was Mayor of Oakland, and huge swaths of the state are either too young or weren't living here when he was Governor in the 70's.

Arnold the obvious exception.

Are they still going to have the Rose Parade New Year's Day?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #764 on: December 30, 2020, 03:19:02 AM »
Are they still going to have the Rose Parade New Year's Day?

Let me google that for you