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Somewhere in Mn

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2625 on: September 29, 2022, 08:50:39 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 29, 2022, 08:24:37 AM
Do they need to hike taxes 15% to refund the police?
Govt/media supported version or tax payer version for the increase ?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2626 on: September 29, 2022, 03:52:00 PM »
the best popcorn show ever is going to be that DeSantis doesn't have a magic wand and there will be a lot of suffering in SWFL and Trump will start Truth Socialling out that DeSantis has done a horrible job
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2627 on: October 01, 2022, 01:27:10 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on September 29, 2022, 03:52:00 PM
the best popcorn show ever is going to be that DeSantis doesn't have a magic wand and there will be a lot of suffering in SWFL and Trump will start Truth Socialling out that DeSantis has done a horrible job
DeSantis is the epitome of a righty populist employing fucking around and finding out and learning that it has its limits when you actually and inevitably need government.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2628 on: October 01, 2022, 01:35:49 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on October 01, 2022, 01:27:10 PM
DeSantis is the epitome of a righty populist employing fucking around and finding out and learning that it has its limits when you actually and inevitably need government.

You give him too much credit for being self aware
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2629 on: October 01, 2022, 01:38:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2022, 01:35:49 PM
You give him too much credit for being self aware
Probably my bias but I put him on the Hawley-Cruz bucket, where he knows exactly what he's doing. He's just better at bullshitting the real deal than either of them.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2630 on: October 01, 2022, 01:40:27 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on October 01, 2022, 01:38:23 PM
Probably my bias but I put him on the Hawley-Cruz bucket, where he knows exactly what he's doing. He's just better at bullshitting the real deal than either of them.

Unfortunately I think those guys are now at the point where they believe their own BS because they've done it for so long
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2631 on: October 01, 2022, 02:00:59 PM »
The main advantage of being a powerful, conservative troll like Ron DeSantis is that when you're in trouble or facing misfortune, you know the rival political party in power won't be an asshole like you would be.  So when you need assistance, you know you can rely on the Democrats to do the right thing.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2632 on: October 03, 2022, 10:01:24 PM »

"The Sixth Circuit’s decision in this case would condition the First Amendment’s protection for parody upon a requirement that parodists explicitly say, up-front, that their work is nothing more than an elaborate fiction. But that would strip parody of the very thing that makes it function."

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2633 on: October 03, 2022, 10:17:14 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2634 on: October 04, 2022, 06:25:36 AM »
' We got children out here. '

' OK, I'm sorry  '

https://twitter.com/i/status/1576902514179420160
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2635 on: October 04, 2022, 07:28:38 AM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2636 on: October 04, 2022, 01:12:33 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 04, 2022, 06:25:36 AM
' We got children out here. '

' OK, I'm sorry  '

https://twitter.com/i/status/1576902514179420160

Give it a few weeks.

These guys got something they like, perhaps. But when the death toll hits 500, and we go over how badly they botched getting people out of the area, he's gonna have tougher and tougher questions.

DeSantis created a monster. He spent two years creating a distrust of the Government, and "mandates bad", then waited far too long to issue a mandatory evacuation that few listened to because "mandates bad".

That's a simple situation where DeSantis and the local officials just totally screwed up and killed a bunch of people for no good reason. When a fire sniffs Northern California, we get the hell out. With Kincade, the fire was burning in the hills on Thursday, they said "there is a wind event on Sunday that will blow the fire South". Everyone left the North County. The fire never got close to Healdsburg proper, but people were gone. It hit Windsor and we didn't think it was going to go there, but no lives were threatened because people were gone.

And even in a fire, if you decide to be buckaroo banzai and ignore the orders and stay home to "protect your house", you can in theory actually succeed if you build up a crazy sprinkler system. No amount of sandbags would save Fort Meyers Beach.

This is leadership. Kincade evac order was for 190,000 people. Zero fatalities. And yes, if you don't evacuate, fire can be deadly, Tubbs had 22 deaths, because unlike Kincade - or Ian - the fire started at 11:30 PM and was burning homes within an hour while people were asleep.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2637 on: October 04, 2022, 01:46:54 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 04, 2022, 01:12:33 PM
Give it a few weeks.

These guys got something they like, perhaps. But when the death toll hits 500, and we go over how badly they botched getting people out of the area, he's gonna have tougher and tougher questions.

DeSantis created a monster. He spent two years creating a distrust of the Government, and "mandates bad", then waited far too long to issue a mandatory evacuation that few listened to because "mandates bad".

That's a simple situation where DeSantis and the local officials just totally screwed up and killed a bunch of people for no good reason. When a fire sniffs Northern California, we get the hell out. With Kincade, the fire was burning in the hills on Thursday, they said "there is a wind event on Sunday that will blow the fire South". Everyone left the North County. The fire never got close to Healdsburg proper, but people were gone. It hit Windsor and we didn't think it was going to go there, but no lives were threatened because people were gone.

And even in a fire, if you decide to be buckaroo banzai and ignore the orders and stay home to "protect your house", you can in theory actually succeed if you build up a crazy sprinkler system. No amount of sandbags would save Fort Meyers Beach.

This is leadership. Kincade evac order was for 190,000 people. Zero fatalities. And yes, if you don't evacuate, fire can be deadly, Tubbs had 22 deaths, because unlike Kincade - or Ian - the fire started at 11:30 PM and was burning homes within an hour while people were asleep.

And sometimes people are just idiots regardless of the best and worst intentions of politicians and other experts.

Can always trust the Euro weather model next time.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2638 on: October 04, 2022, 02:10:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 04, 2022, 01:46:54 PM
And sometimes people are just idiots regardless of the best and worst intentions of politicians and other experts.

Can always trust the Euro weather model next time.

See "buckaroo bonzai" out there with a sprinkler trying to defend his house. There were plenty of people who did that. But they still represented under 1% of people under evac orders. Leadership isn't about each individual anecdote, it's about moving the needle on the percentages. The number of dead and needing to be rescued, people stuck on Sanibel without food, power, water... this is on leadership. If there were a random couple of people we could feed and scold, it would be one thing. But real rescue is being hampered by the sheer numbers.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2639 on: October 04, 2022, 02:12:43 PM »
Huge percentage of the orange crop lost in the hurricane. I eagerly await DeSantis blaming Biden for inflation in orange juice prices
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