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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2355 on: May 19, 2022, 11:31:10 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 19, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
If only it were that easy. Supply rationing is happening in tons of industries right now in order to keep prices artificially high. And then blaming it on Covid or supply chain issues.

At some point we have to hold the current government accountable rather than reverse passing the buck back to Trump. Stop giving the Biden administration a free pass for everything, it’s embarrassing.

If you take off your tribal blinders for a minute, you’ll see that Senile Joe has not been sitting on his hands when it comes to increasing competition and fighting price-fixing.

https://modernfarmer.com/2021/07/what-bidens-new-executive-order-means-for-agriculture/
https://www.vox.com/recode/23048906/chip-shortage-manufacturing-america-biden
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/lack-competition-us-meat-industry-amounts-exploitation-says-biden-2022-01-03/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-takes-aim-at-corporate-consolidation-big-business-tactics-11625832017
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/president-biden-targets-antitrust-enforcement-to-increase-competition-new-executive

Do I think these actions will be enough to get the job done?  Nope.  Bring on the Trust Busters!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2356 on: May 19, 2022, 12:22:19 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 19, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
If only it were that easy. Supply rationing is happening in tons of industries right now in order to keep prices artificially high. And then blaming it on Covid or supply chain issues.

At some point we have to hold the current government accountable rather than reverse passing the buck back to Trump. Stop giving the Biden administration a free pass for everything, it’s embarrassing.

Apparently more government is the answer to the problem? You want the FTC to go after these industries and more robust anti trust etc. enforcement? Elizabeth Warren would be happy to hear that. And you want Biden to reverse the Trump tariffs. I'm sure Golf and 97 agree with all of this additional governmental regulatory activity.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2357 on: May 19, 2022, 12:24:49 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2358 on: May 19, 2022, 12:45:07 PM »
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Quote from: Mn on May 19, 2022, 06:48:45 AM
"If we’d been better mind readers, I guess we could have. But we moved as quickly as the problem became apparent to us, ...."

We have been vulnerable to a baby formula shortage for decades. The situation was aggravated by the USMCA and Covid.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2359 on: May 19, 2022, 12:59:36 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 19, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
Apparently more government is the answer to the problem? You want the FTC to go after these industries and more robust anti trust etc. enforcement? Elizabeth Warren would be happy to hear that. And you want Biden to reverse the Trump tariffs. I'm sure Golf and 97 agree with all of this additional governmental regulatory activity.

It's hilarious to watch Fox News scream about the lack of a swift government response to baby formula crisis.  Meanwhile, Trump is calling it a national disgrace. Apparently, he blames it on illegal immigrants receiving supplies?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2360 on: May 19, 2022, 01:27:43 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 19, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
If only it were that easy. Supply rationing is happening in tons of industries right now in order to keep prices artificially high. And then blaming it on Covid or supply chain issues.

At some point we have to hold the current government accountable rather than reverse passing the buck back to Trump. Stop giving the Biden administration a free pass for everything, it’s embarrassing.

And what, specifically, do you want done? I've asked before and received no response from 97 or you.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2361 on: May 19, 2022, 05:18:09 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 19, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
Apparently more government is the answer to the problem? You want the FTC to go after these industries and more robust anti trust etc. enforcement? Elizabeth Warren would be happy to hear that. And you want Biden to reverse the Trump tariffs. I'm sure Golf and 97 agree with all of this additional governmental regulatory activity.

Reversing tariffs is *additional* government regulatory activity?

I guess it's activity, this is true. Activity to reduce government regulations, but it is an activity in the regulatory space
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« Reply #2362 on: May 19, 2022, 06:29:55 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on May 19, 2022, 12:59:36 PM
It's hilarious to watch Fox News scream about the lack of a swift government response to baby formula crisis.  Meanwhile, Trump is calling it a national disgrace. Apparently, he blames it on illegal immigrants receiving supplies?
We're legally obligated to provide care to the illegal immigrants. Kids in Tennessee, not so much so I guess.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2363 on: May 19, 2022, 08:00:29 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 19, 2022, 01:27:43 PM
And what, specifically, do you want done? I've asked before and received no response from 97 or you.

We have an enormous bureaucracy. Surely there’s someone, somewhere, that can do their fucking jobs. But that’s a pipe dream in and of itself. Even under the Obama administration we rewarded the architects of the financial crisis with bail outs and minimal, if any, punishment.

Now I know you’re dialing up the but but but he inherited that from W! Ok, and W inherited the tech bubble from Clinton, but I don’t see many people pinning that on anyone other than W.

Carlin had it right decades ago. They don’t care about us. He was also right about the illusion of choice and idiots fighting over it. Well at least he’s better then Trump. Well at least he’s better then Obama. And at least he’s better than W. Talk about low expectations.

Most of the politicians serve the same masters. Stop willingly playing their game.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #2364 on: May 19, 2022, 08:53:58 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 19, 2022, 08:00:29 PM
We have an enormous bureaucracy. Surely there’s someone, somewhere, that can do their fucking jobs. But that’s a pipe dream in and of itself. Even under the Obama administration we rewarded the architects of the financial crisis with bail outs and minimal, if any, punishment.

Now I know you’re dialing up the but but but he inherited that from W! Ok, and W inherited the tech bubble from Clinton, but I don’t see many people pinning that on anyone other than W.

Carlin had it right decades ago. They don’t care about us. He was also right about the illusion of choice and idiots fighting over it. Well at least he’s better then Trump. Well at least he’s better then Obama. And at least he’s better than W. Talk about low expectations.

Most of the politicians serve the same masters. Stop willingly playing their game.

And a non-response response. What should the government do to resolve these issues? Whether it is Biden or Trump is irrelevant to the question of what should be done. What do you think needs to be done? You and 97, among others, bitch that more needs to be done, but I've yet to read what it is that any of you think should be done. Do you want the FTC to start kicking ass and taking names of captains of industry? State Attorney Generals prosecuting price gouging? Tariff reduction to allow cheaper goods from abroad to enter the market? (Might not work given the Chinese Commie's Zero COVID policy is closing everything down). Sue India for hording grain in response to the Soviets invading The Ukraine? Sue the Saudis for not pumping oil?  What you got?

As for the Obama.bailout, yeah, would have been nice to see some people go to jail instead of getting bailed out. Allowing the same assholes to completely tank the financial system was too bitter a pill to swallow at the time, so I can understand why they did what they did. Deregulation was not the answer. That's Nichi's entrance music playing...
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« Reply #2365 on: May 19, 2022, 09:44:11 PM »
I’d probably be fine with just enforcing the existing legislation and regulation? Doesn’t mean we need to expand an already huge bureaucracy. From what people have posted here this baby formula bullshit has been brewing for years and people were aware of the potential issues but nothing happened?

The answer isn’t to point fingers at Trump or Obama or expand government but to question the entire efficacy and aptitude of the government we already have. Our elected officials are the puppets of big corporations and it’s blatantly obvious. Again, hold them accountable with the same fervor you reserve for Brad Underwood and Josh Whitman.
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« Reply #2366 on: May 20, 2022, 07:27:23 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 19, 2022, 09:44:11 PM
I’d probably be fine with just enforcing the existing legislation and regulation? Doesn’t mean we need to expand an already huge bureaucracy. From what people have posted here this baby formula bullshit has been brewing for years and people were aware of the potential issues but nothing happened?

The answer isn’t to point fingers at Trump or Obama or expand government but to question the entire efficacy and aptitude of the government we already have. Our elected officials are the puppets of big corporations and it’s blatantly obvious. Again, hold them accountable with the same fervor you reserve for Brad Underwood and Josh Whitman.

So you don't have much that can be done except FTC and State AG investigations and prosecutions. Got it.

The difference here is that I don't think there is a lot the government can do. as opposed to
Underachiever  and  Guenther Jr. Enforcing the current laws" isn't going to bring relief quickly. but it is not a bad idea..Efforts to strengthen those laws have been stymied, as the politicians are in the pocket of big corporations. I guess you will be voting for Indian Chief Elizabeth Warren next time around if she runs? This has been her issue.
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« Reply #2367 on: May 20, 2022, 08:59:00 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 19, 2022, 09:44:11 PM
I’d probably be fine with just enforcing the existing legislation and regulation? Doesn’t mean we need to expand an already huge bureaucracy. From what people have posted here this baby formula bullshit has been brewing for years and people were aware of the potential issues but nothing happened?

The answer isn’t to point fingers at Trump or Obama or expand government but to question the entire efficacy and aptitude of the government we already have. Our elected officials are the puppets of big corporations and it’s blatantly obvious. Again, hold them accountable with the same fervor you reserve for Brad Underwood and Josh Whitman.

Is federal bureaucracy really all that bloated, or is this a myth perpetuated by the right, particularly by advocates of privatization / crony capitalism? 

Trump cut taxes and domestic regulations; while increasing tariffs and quotas on imported goods. I gather some of the deregulation part was done by executive action, meaning the current admin is likely trying to reverse that as I type. My understanding is Trump also did everything he could to defund and otherwise cripple regulatory agencies.

By elected officials, I assume you include Congress? I appears most people have a low opinion of the US House and Senate in general, but tend to approve of their own representatives and Senators.
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« Reply #2368 on: May 20, 2022, 01:51:38 PM »
Surely the US can produce enough of our own baby formula? That seems like a pretty good thing to have a handle on, no?

Did Trump’s deregulation and tariffs cause this issue? No, it apparently had been simmering for quite some time and the past couple of years brought it to a boil.

Yes, in the wake of the massive collusion and price-fixing that’s taking place it is clear that we need to revisit anti-trust legislation and enforcement to make sure the American people aren’t being fucked in the ass because a handful of corps control entire critical industries such as food and energy.

But we aren’t going to get that from either side of the aisle. Warren and Sanders talk a big game but they’d be highly unlikely to get anything done even if they did ascend to the presidency.
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« Reply #2369 on: May 20, 2022, 02:22:55 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 20, 2022, 01:51:38 PM
Surely the US can produce enough of our own baby formula? That seems like a pretty good thing to have a handle on, no?

Did Trump’s deregulation and tariffs cause this issue? No, it apparently had been simmering for quite some time and the past couple of years brought it to a boil.

Yes, in the wake of the massive collusion and price-fixing that’s taking place it is clear that we need to revisit anti-trust legislation and enforcement to make sure the American people aren’t being fucked in the ass because a handful of corps control entire critical industries such as food and energy.

But we aren’t going to get that from either side of the aisle. Warren and Sanders talk a big game but they’d be highly unlikely to get anything done even if they did ascend to the presidency.

Yes, the US can produce enough of its own baby formula until the one factory goes down due to a different contamination that killed the babies.

Did Trump's deregulation cause less inspections of the baby formula factory? Did it cause those running it to become complacent? Don't know.

Did Trump's tariff cause the problem? No. However, it appears to have exascerbated it by making Canadian imports at this time probibitive.

Last point, Warren's big issue has been goverment regulation. Bernie is Bernie and wants to regulate everything. They can beat the drum all they want, but no one has paid attention. So, you can blame "both sides" all you want, but Teddy Roosevelt is not walking through that door to snatch the GOP away from Trump/McConnell and restore its Trust Buster Glory. Would be nice if Biden's teleprompter guy proposed something along these lines, but he/she/they is probably more focused on pronouns.
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