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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1575 on: November 23, 2021, 04:49:49 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 23, 2021, 04:08:31 PM
So, from.what I am reading here and elsewhere, we can throw out the law.

If someone fears for their life; they have a license to kill. It's entirely subjective.

It's open season on the mentally ill, pedophiles, rioters, and anyone with any sort of criminal record.

Never mind Wisconsin law:

The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.

The reasonableness of a person's belief under sub. (1) is judged from the position of a person of ordinary intelligence and prudence in the same situation as the defendant, not a person identical to the defendant placed in the same situationn ...

You're not this dense.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1576 on: November 23, 2021, 04:57:36 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 23, 2021, 04:20:02 PM
That was not Kyle.

Don’t ruin it for them.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1577 on: November 23, 2021, 08:37:10 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 23, 2021, 04:08:31 PM
So, from.what I am reading here and elsewhere, we can throw out the law.

If someone fears for their life; they have a license to kill. It's entirely subjective.

It's open season on the mentally ill, pedophiles, rioters, and anyone with any sort of criminal record.

Never mind Wisconsin law:

The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.

The reasonableness of a person's belief under sub. (1) is judged from the position of a person of ordinary intelligence and prudence in the same situation as the defendant, not a person identical to the defendant placed in the same situationn ...

The law was not thrown out.

You have a right to your opinion, but not your own facts.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1578 on: November 23, 2021, 08:37:49 PM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on November 23, 2021, 04:49:49 PM
You're not this dense.

After all these years, we know he can be.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1579 on: November 23, 2021, 08:39:18 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 23, 2021, 04:45:28 PM
Same piece of paper had something about free speech. I am allowed to disagree with jury verdicts. A lot of people think OJ was guilty. They called it jury nullification.

During the interview with TC, KR admitted pointing his gun at several people. He said he did not shoot  them only because they backed off.

I think the prosecutor charged wrong. No way it was 1st degree.

"Mitigating circumstances. The following are affirmative defenses to prosecution under this section which mitigate the offense to 2nd-degree intentional homicide under s. 940.05:
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(b) Unnecessary defensive force. Death was caused because the actor believed he or she or another was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that the force used was necessary to defend the endangered person, if either belief was unreasonable."

If he is gonna charge, should be 2nd degree. That said, he was a 17 year old kid in way over his head. In my mind, that mitigates. This probably should have been left in juvie ...

As it is, it still sent a message that anyone who feels threatened can escalate to deadly force and call it self defense. KR said it. Self defense was on trial. Or how we define it.

As well all well know,  the 1st Amendment allows for you to be an idiot. Well done.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1580 on: November 23, 2021, 08:42:23 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 23, 2021, 04:57:36 PM
Don’t ruin it for them.

It certainly establishes that the 2 dead dumbfuck criminals were not at a peaceful protest. Which is the context here and what makes it differ from GA. But neither you nor Nichi can get that through your heads. So, if Nichi and you want to go try and burn down downtown, don't lunge at someone's  gun. Pretty simple credo to live by.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1581 on: November 23, 2021, 09:39:45 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 23, 2021, 08:42:23 PM
It certainly establishes that the 2 dead dumbfuck criminals were not at a peaceful protest. Which is the context here and what makes it differ from GA. But neither you nor Nichi can get that through your heads. So, if Nichi and you want to go try and burn down downtown, don't lunge at someone's  gun. Pretty simple credo to live by.

Do we know that the men Rittenhouse shot were actual rioters, or just present?

Don’t play Rambo, and you won’t find yourself shooting and killing people who probably didn’t deserve it. Pretty simple credo to live by.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1582 on: November 23, 2021, 10:09:50 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 23, 2021, 09:39:45 PM
Do we know that the men Rittenhouse shot were actual rioters, or just present?

Don’t play Rambo, and you won’t find yourself shooting and killing people who probably didn’t deserve it. Pretty simple credo to live by.

Obviously they did "deserve it" or else he would be in jail.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1583 on: November 23, 2021, 10:11:20 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 23, 2021, 08:37:10 PM
The law was not thrown out.

You have a right to your opinion, but not your own facts.

Did you follow the trial at all? Even if we accept that Rosenbaum was trying to take the gun; which is questionable, was it really necessary to shoot him 4 times? Was KR about to die at Rosenbaum's hand? Was deadly force his only reasonable option to repel the alleged attack?

Did you see the KR interview with TC? KR admitted he pointed his rifle at at Grosskreutz first. He did not fire at that point because Grosskreutz backed off.
Grosskreutz then raised the gun in response to something KR did and KR fired.

KR said he pointed the weapon at several others who approached, but did not shoot because they backed off. Were these others about to kill him too?

I think KR was defending himself. I am not sold that deadly force was necessary.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1584 on: November 23, 2021, 10:12:41 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 23, 2021, 09:39:45 PM
Do we know that the men Rittenhouse shot were actual rioters, or just present?

Don’t play Rambo, and you won’t find yourself shooting and killing people who probably didn’t deserve it. Pretty simple credo to live by.

One was a pedo. One threatened family members with a knife. Why do you think they were there? To riot because they were fucking losers. They were not there to prevent gas stations from being blown up.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1585 on: November 23, 2021, 10:14:21 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 23, 2021, 10:09:50 PM
Obviously they did "deserve it" or else he would be in jail.

Because incompetent prosecutors brought the wrong charges and presented a terrible case.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1586 on: November 23, 2021, 10:14:51 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 23, 2021, 10:11:20 PM
I think KR was defending himself. I am not sold that deadly force was necessary.

Yeah, that is pretty obvious.

You may want to actually read the law you previously posted.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1587 on: November 23, 2021, 10:15:21 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 23, 2021, 10:14:21 PM
Because incompetent prosecutors brought the wrong charges and presented a terrible case.

And the video showed what it showed.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1588 on: November 23, 2021, 10:25:49 PM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on November 23, 2021, 04:49:49 PM
You're not this dense.

Lots on line are arguing;

1. If Kyle feared for his life; then he had the right to defend himself as he saw fit.

2. Public service killings.

Short, chubby  good guy with a gun killed shorter, chubbier, unarmed crazy pedophile?

Good guy with a gun kills bad guy armed with a deadly skateboard?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1589 on: November 23, 2021, 10:28:38 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 23, 2021, 10:25:49 PM
Lots on line are arguing;

1. If Kyle feared for his life; then he had the right to defend himself as he saw fit.

2. Public service killings.

Short, chubby  good guy with a gun killed shorter, chubbier, unarmed crazy pedophile?

Good guy with a gun kills bad guy armed with a deadly skateboard?

Maybe you can meet up with Murph and he can hit you with a skateboard. Let's see how that goes.
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