wtf is wrong with the right?

illiniray

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #480 on: August 03, 2020, 06:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Mn on August 03, 2020, 11:41:49 AM

Quote from: alum74 on August 03, 2020, 11:21:48 AM
Portland Moms, Vets & Docs 1, Federal Agitators 0

With No Federal Agents on Streets, Portland Protests Turn Largely Peaceful

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-no-federal-agents-on-streets-portland-protests-turn-largely-peaceful-11596393022

Does the article behind the paywall mention that after Wheeler found out the mostly peaceful protesters weren't really on his side, that the Oregon State Police and the Portland Police were called in to help protect the area around the court house ?
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/08/02/portland-riots-read-out-august-2

Can't trust the left wing WSJ?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #481 on: August 03, 2020, 07:31:57 PM »

Quote from: illiniray on August 03, 2020, 06:06:32 PM

Quote from: Mn on August 03, 2020, 11:41:49 AM
Quote from: alum74 on August 03, 2020, 11:21:48 AM
Portland Moms, Vets & Docs 1, Federal Agitators 0

With No Federal Agents on Streets, Portland Protests Turn Largely Peaceful

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-no-federal-agents-on-streets-portland-protests-turn-largely-peaceful-11596393022

Does the article behind the paywall mention that after Wheeler found out the mostly peaceful protesters weren't really on his side, that the Oregon State Police and the Portland Police were called in to help protect the area around the court house ?
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/08/02/portland-riots-read-out-august-2

Can't trust the left wing WSJ?

It's not a matter of trust.
Portland is more peaceful.
I'm just asking if the article mentions the Oregon State Police and Portland Police having a presence in the gathering areas outside the perimeter of the federal buildings.

« Last Edit: August 03, 2020, 09:59:07 PM by Mn »

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ILLove1997

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #482 on: August 04, 2020, 10:24:01 AM »

Quote from: alum74 on August 03, 2020, 12:45:15 PM

If Biden wins (and that’s a big IF), he should do what Obama and he failed to do the first time around: take a hard, critical look at DHS and propose legislation to either significantly rethink or abolish the agency. It’s a cesspool of waste, inefficiency and abuse.

Dismantle the Department of Homeland Security
https://newrepublic.com/article/147099/dismantle-department-homeland-security

Abolish the Department of Homeland Security
https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA683.pdf

can we get rid of the TSA and the NSA while we're at it?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #483 on: August 04, 2020, 02:45:13 PM »

9/11 the gift that keeps taking

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #484 on: August 04, 2020, 04:09:35 PM »

Quote from: ILLove1997 on August 04, 2020, 10:24:01 AM

Quote from: alum74 on August 03, 2020, 12:45:15 PM
If Biden wins (and that’s a big IF), he should do what Obama and he failed to do the first time around: take a hard, critical look at DHS and propose legislation to either significantly rethink or abolish the agency. It’s a cesspool of waste, inefficiency and abuse.

Dismantle the Department of Homeland Security
https://newrepublic.com/article/147099/dismantle-department-homeland-security

Abolish the Department of Homeland Security
https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA683.pdf

can we get rid of the TSA and the NSA while we're at it?

Seems just as extreme as completely defunding the police.

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illiniray

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #485 on: August 04, 2020, 05:23:20 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on August 04, 2020, 04:09:35 PM

Seems just as extreme as completely defunding the police.

Except in typical left wing fashion, the Defund the Police slogan is not intended to be taken literally.

"'Defund the police'" means reallocating or redirecting [some of the] funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. ... even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether. Rather, they want to see the rotten trees of policing chopped down and fresh roots replanted anew. "

"Different from abolishing and starting anew, defunding police highlights fiscal responsibility, advocates for a market-driven approach to taxpayer money, and has some potential benefits that will reduce police violence and crime. Below, I outline some of the main arguments for defunding the police." https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/

Of course, you likely know that already. The question is why does the left use provocative slogans that offend so many, are so easily used against them, and require intellectual effort to unpack and grasp? I am guessing it's by design. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." Being provocative gets attention and 'provokes' discussion. Right wing talk show hosts have the done the same sort of thing to the point of almost normalizing rude behavior in conservative circles. I am not defending the approach, I am trying to understand.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #486 on: August 04, 2020, 06:28:19 PM »

Good thing I used "completely" to make myself clear.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #487 on: August 04, 2020, 07:59:44 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on August 04, 2020, 06:28:19 PM

Good thing I used "completely" to make myself clear.

Good thing I added "Of course, you likely know that already."

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #488 on: August 04, 2020, 10:46:07 PM »

Quote from: illiniray on August 04, 2020, 07:59:44 PM

Quote from: ThePAMan on August 04, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
Good thing I used "completely" to make myself clear.

Good thing I added "Of course, you likely know that already."

Good thing I made it clear I likely knew that then.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #489 on: August 05, 2020, 05:17:32 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on August 04, 2020, 10:46:07 PM

Quote from: illiniray on August 04, 2020, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 04, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
Good thing I used "completely" to make myself clear.

Good thing I added "Of course, you likely know that already."

Good thing I made it clear I likely knew that then.

Meanwhile, those who want to restructure law enforcement have a lot of support:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/315962/americans-say-policing-needs-major-changes.aspx

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #490 on: August 05, 2020, 05:38:26 PM »

Politically, [the] decision played out as expected, with anti-immigration groups condemning the decision and DACA recipients jubilant and relieved.

But aside from the president, lots of Republicans are relieved as well. If Thursday's decision had gone the other way, the pressure on congressional Republicans to pass legislation protecting the DREAMers would have been intense.

DACA is an astonishingly popular program, with recent polls showing up to 85% support among Democratic and independent voters, and huge majorities among Republican voters as well.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/829858289/supreme-court-upholds-daca-in-blow-to-trump-administration

Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad F. Wolf announced that in response to the Supreme Court’s decision, the Department of Homeland Security will take action to thoughtfully consider the future of the DACA policy, including whether to fully rescind the program.

n the interim and to address serious concerns with the policy, the Department of Homeland Security will make the following changes to DACA immediately:

Reject all initial requests for DACA and associated applications for Employment Authorization Documents;
Reject new and pending requests for advanced parole absent exceptional circumstances; and,
Limit the period of renewed deferred action granted pursuant to the DACA policy after the issuance of this memorandum to one year.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/28/department-homeland-security-will-reject-initial-requests-daca-it-weighs-future

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