wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1200 on: August 07, 2021, 04:21:06 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on August 07, 2021, 12:17:31 PM

IDK, it’s really long…

I mean, he's got a restaurant to run, for fucks's sake!

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illiniray

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1201 on: August 07, 2021, 04:40:20 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on August 07, 2021, 04:01:20 PM

She wants to defund the police for everyone but her?

She proposed diverting 4 million to crime prevention. This would reduce the police budget from 171 million to 167 million, a 2.3% cut. How is that defunding the police? It is paid for by eliminating 98 positions that had been vacant for a decade. The money had been used to cover overtime. The St. Louis Police Department still has more than 1300 full time police officers and 400 civilian employees.

Some questioned the "optics" of increasing her security detail while cutting the police budget.

"Just to be clear, we don’t doubt for a second that it’s a good idea to beef up security around the mayor. Jones’ predecessor, Lyda Krewson, had her house attacked by protesters. It’s the city’s highest-profile job, and with the job comes personal danger and credible threats of attack — which requires that the mayor be protected around the clock. ..."
https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-bad-optics-abound-as-mayor-cuts-police-funds-while-doubling-her-security-detail/article_57a50af6-674d-5938-98dc-5ed5481c8395.html

As you probably know, 'defund the police' is a sarcastic left wing slogan aimed at criminal justice reform and readjusting priorities. Usually, when budgets are cut, it is social services and crime prevention that get defunded. Social workers are assigned impossible case loads and nobody cares.

Just a couple years a go, Trump signed the First Step Act. More than 3000 prisoners were released the first year. Why aren't they howling about that?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1202 on: August 07, 2021, 04:54:31 PM »

Quote from: Chickengeorge on August 07, 2021, 04:21:06 PM

I mean, he's got a restaurant to run, for fucks's sake!

I left the restaurant industry.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1203 on: August 07, 2021, 04:54:55 PM »

Quote from: illiniray on August 07, 2021, 04:40:20 PM

'defund the police' is a sarcastic left wing slogan aimed at criminal justice reform and readjusting priorities.

Sorry pops, everything else was spot on but this part simply isn't true.

There are actual people who think eliminating law enforcement is a good idea.

They were the same crazy hippies who liked dropping acid, not bathing, camping, etc.

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« Reply #1204 on: August 07, 2021, 04:55:28 PM »

Quote from: illiniray on August 07, 2021, 04:08:27 PM

Turn on the Five or Gutfeld. It's one of several recurring themes.

Why would anyone do that?

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #1205 on: August 07, 2021, 04:56:31 PM »

Quote from: fucking on August 07, 2021, 04:54:55 PM

Sorry pops, everything else was spot on but this part simply isn't true.

There are actual people who think eliminating law enforcement is a good idea.

They were the same crazy hippies who liked dropping acid, not bathing, camping, etc.

True, but I don’t think that’s the majority of the movement. It’s not a tiny number though.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #1206 on: August 07, 2021, 05:18:01 PM »

If you're going to use the term, that's what it means. That's why the Faux News gang, and the RNC, employed it so effectively in the 2020 congressional elections.

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illiniray

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« Reply #1207 on: August 07, 2021, 05:31:16 PM »

Another recurring Fox News / Republican theme is Democrat's big government spending is the cause of the current inflation. I remember when fiscal conservatives used to blame deficit spending for inflation. That was largely abandoned after Ronald Reagan rang up large deficits while inflation declined. Example:

"The Democrats’ spending addiction has created an inflation crisis and their solution is to spend more and tax more. ..." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/paychecks-tour-biden-inflation

There are a few things wrong with this. For starters, history shows no link between government spending and inflation.

... "Across the board, we found almost no effect of government spending on inflation. For example, in our benchmark specification, we found that a 10 percent increase in government spending led to an 8 basis point decline in inflation. ..." https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2016/may/how-does-government-spending-affect-inflation

Also, the current inflation is international and is tied to covid related supply chain issues. US based inflation might also be related to wage increases; which might be related to labor shortages. Luckily for Republicans, it likely won't get sorted out for a while, so they might be able to demagogue the issue next year. More boring reading on all this:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8062946/higher-inflation-canada-could-last-years/

Figuring things out becomes tedious and challenging. Political posturing is more amusing and simpler.

« Last Edit: August 07, 2021, 05:58:47 PM by illiniray »

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1208 on: August 07, 2021, 05:56:23 PM »

Quote from: fucking on August 07, 2021, 04:54:55 PM

Sorry pops, everything else was spot on but this part simply isn't true.

There are actual people who think eliminating law enforcement is a good idea.

They were the same crazy hippies who liked dropping acid, not bathing, camping, etc.

I'll concede that a minority of idealists want to literally eliminate the police. In reality, most cities are trying to cut police budgets at the margins. The most extreme examples I can find are Camden NJ and Minneapolis MN.

Camden: "the city did something drastic. It disbanded its police force and turned the policing responsibility over to Camden County."
https://progressive.org/latest/camden-didnt-defund-police-department-kalet-200630/

Minneapolis: "The charter states there has to be a police department. The proposed amendment replaces that with "a department of community safety and violence prevention" that will take "a holistic, public-health-oriented approach." It also provides for a law enforcement division with licensed officers."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-members-taking-first-step-toward-disbanding-citys-police-department/

« Last Edit: August 07, 2021, 06:03:47 PM by illiniray »

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1209 on: August 08, 2021, 01:38:02 PM »

Quote from: fucking on August 07, 2021, 05:18:01 PM

If you're going to use the term, that's what it means. That's why the Faux News gang, and the RNC, employed it so effectively in the 2020 congressional elections.

No, defund the police means they don’t need to be a de-facto military branch with tanks and hoards of military grade weapons.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1210 on: August 08, 2021, 01:39:47 PM »

Quote from: fucking on August 07, 2021, 05:18:01 PM

If you're going to use the term, that's what it means. That's why the Faux News gang, and the RNC, employed it so effectively in the 2020 congressional elections.

As usual, Fox takes a position from the left and rants about the most absurd interpretations of that position. Case in point: “death panels” and vaccines

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1211 on: August 08, 2021, 02:10:22 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on August 08, 2021, 01:38:02 PM

No, defund the police means they don’t need to be a de-facto military branch with tanks and hoards of military grade weapons.

I don't know why you're spending any calories in this rural corner of Quixotism.

The phrase is Defund The Police. The placards say Defund The Police.

End of story.

It literally doesn't matter how you choose to define it, and that's the point of this conversation.

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illiniray

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« Reply #1212 on: August 08, 2021, 05:29:10 PM »

It is hard to argue with literalism. Fox also says Black lives matter means white lives don't matter.

Today, someone on Fox said the defund the police rhetoric is hurting officer morale. They basically admitted it's just a slogan at this point.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1213 on: August 08, 2021, 05:29:59 PM »

“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean abolish policing. And, even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?

« Reply #1214 on: August 09, 2021, 11:52:56 AM »

Quote from: illiniray on August 08, 2021, 05:29:10 PM

It is hard to argue with literalism. Fox also says Black lives matter means white lives don't matter.

Today, someone on Fox said the defund the police rhetoric is hurting officer morale. They basically admitted it's just a slogan at this point.

Of course it hurts morale. They worry it might mean we pay them less.

Police funding is one of the weirdest parts of American governance, because we have a substantial population that hears "more money for policing" and think "that's good", without any context. Like any other function of Government, or the economy writ large, there is an appropriate amount of money to put towards any effort. The police have done a good job of obscuring that concept with regards to their budget, we don't really know how much we put into policing, how much we pay the police (all in - benefits, pensions, etc...), how much we spend on equipment, police stations, jails. Is it really good use of money to have police stations that are top notch facilities in terms of basic fixtures, HVAC systems, etc.. but the physical plants of elementary schools are completely broken?

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