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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8910 on: June 29, 2026, 08:00:21 PM »
I think we need to look at if they actually said those things. Then, when and what was the context.

We also need to consider why democratic socialism is becoming popular..

BTW, remember this:;

https://time.com/7313446/trump-seizing-private-companies/

Sometimes you are just far too reasonable. Knock it off.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #8911 on: June 29, 2026, 08:23:38 PM »
“Democratic Socialism” has been popular for a while (particularly when polled issue by issue without “labels”). E.G. Universal Healthcare has polled well for quite some time, even getting more support from Republicans than you would think. DS has been effectively quashed by the establishment on both sides of the aisle.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #8912 on: June 30, 2026, 12:35:00 AM »
Because they know that anything with “socialist” or “socialism” doesn’t win big elections in the United States. It gets quashed because it doesn’t win, it isn’t who we are as a nation, and it’s a slippery slope to the stagnant lack of competition economies of Western Europe who are drowning in entitlements despite taxing the ever living fuck out of their “happy” constituents.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8913 on: June 30, 2026, 12:41:56 AM »
Because they know that anything with “socialist” or “socialism” doesn’t win big elections in the United States. It gets quashed because it doesn’t win, it isn’t who we are as a nation, and it’s a slippery slope to the stagnant lack of competition economies of Western Europe who are drowning in entitlements despite taxing the ever living fuck out of their “happy” constituents.
That's what the Tsar said.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8914 on: June 30, 2026, 12:51:42 AM »
Because they know that anything with “socialist” or “socialism” doesn’t win big elections in the United States. It gets quashed because it doesn’t win, it isn’t who we are as a nation, and it’s a slippery slope to the stagnant lack of competition economies of Western Europe who are drowning in entitlements despite taxing the ever living fuck out of their “happy” constituents.

It's more complicated than that
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #8915 on: June 30, 2026, 01:10:15 AM »
It's more complicated than that

It is, but that’s all a person really needs to know.

Social Democracy isn’t a panacea and it will only be as good as it’s implemented. And I can assure you with great confidence that big money interests will continue to quash whatever groundswell support these groups manage to gather.

I don’t think that it’s a bad idea on its face. I’m saying it faces serious headwinds that are all but insurmountable both in elections and real world implementation.

The democratic schism isn’t helpful ahead of the midterms that have been labeled as “existential” no matter how you slice it.

I suspect that through all the redistricting and shady mail in shit that some late night Dem miracle will occur at the mid terms and we’ll descend into a loop of impeachment proceedings and all other manner of nonsense until the end of Trump’s term, assuming Dems don’t kill him first. 
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« Reply #8916 on: June 30, 2026, 08:17:13 AM »
Again, those non-socialist countries who have strong social safety nets rank at the top of the happiest countries in the world year after year; and have an excellent standard of living.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #8917 on: June 30, 2026, 08:20:30 AM »
I haven’t don’t the math on this, but Warren Buffet knows a lot more than I do about this kind of stuff; so I’ll assume he’s at least in the ballpark.

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8918 on: June 30, 2026, 08:23:41 AM »
As I said,
"It's a cult that wants people to believe they're not socialists. They're democratic socialists."

"New York City mayoral frontrunner Zohran Mamdani touted his “end goal of seizing the means of production” during a 2021 Young Democratic Socialists of America conference.

In his remarks, Mamdani asserted that the Left “is in a more ascendant position” before making an argument for refusing to moderate on the issues.

“What I wanted to make sure to say is that when we-, when our position starts to change, when we start to accumulate power, when we start to elect individuals such as myself and my other slate mates into local office, we are started to be treated in a different way than we used to be. And the way in which power engages us now, it is very critical for all of us to remember what it is that we are fighting for, and to remember that our agenda is an agenda that must not be dictated by calculus, but by conviction,” said Mamdani. “And what I mean by that is that the many things that we believe, some of them are already popular in this moment. Right now, if we’re talking about the cancelation of student debt, if we’re talking about Medicare for all ,you know, these are issues which have the groundswell of popular support across this country. But then there are also other issues that we firmly believe in, whether it’s BDS, right? Or whether it’s the end goal of seizing the means of production, where we do not have the same level of support at this very moment.”

And what I want to say is that it is critical, the way that we organize, the way that we set up our, set up our work and our priorities, that we do not leave any one issue for the other, that we do not meet a moment and only look at what people are ready for, but that we are doing both of these things in tandem. Because it is critical for us to both meet people where they’re at and to also organizing organize for what is correct and for what is right, and to ensure that over time we can bring people to that issue,” he continued.

At other points in the same speech, Mamdani argued that the DSA endorsement process should “make it very clear” that the organization’s goal is to “win socialism,” and that “we have to continue to elect more socialists, and we have to ensure that we are unapologetic about our socialism.”

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/watch-zohran-mamdani-calls-for-seizing-the-means-of-production-and-unapologetic-socialism/

'We do not have the same level of support to reach the end goal to seize the means of production at this very moment. We need to elect more socialists.'

But, but, but Denmark is a social democracy. Lol
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8919 on: June 30, 2026, 08:49:30 AM »
Did you know the Jews are the masters of the universe?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8920 on: June 30, 2026, 08:53:04 AM »
As I said,

"It's a cult that wants people to believe they're not socialists. They're democratic socialists."
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« Reply #8921 on: June 30, 2026, 09:54:28 AM »
It is, but that’s all a person really needs to know.

Social Democracy isn’t a panacea and it will only be as good as it’s implemented. And I can assure you with great confidence that big money interests will continue to quash whatever groundswell support these groups manage to gather.

I don’t think that it’s a bad idea on its face. I’m saying it faces serious headwinds that are all but insurmountable both in elections and real world implementation.

The democratic schism isn’t helpful ahead of the midterms that have been labeled as “existential” no matter how you slice it.

I suspect that through all the redistricting and shady mail in shit that some late night Dem miracle will occur at the mid terms and we’ll descend into a loop of impeachment proceedings and all other manner of nonsense until the end of Trump’s term, assuming Dems don’t kill him first.

Would you like Ranch or Thousand Island on that word salad ?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8922 on: June 30, 2026, 10:04:06 AM »
As I said, They're democratic socialists."

Bingo!

Call them whatever you want, if they start serving working class people better and billionaires less, I don’t care what you call them.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8923 on: June 30, 2026, 10:05:27 AM »
The fact that Custard think the Dems need “a miracle” to win the mid-terms only confirms how delusional he is.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #8924 on: June 30, 2026, 10:43:37 AM »
Bingo!

Call them whatever you want, if they start serving working class people better and billionaires less, I don’t care what you call them.

Working class Americans can no longer afford to be moderate.  They are living in an economy of debt.  The party that speaks to health care, job training, housing, energy prices and child care will have a better shot at winning their votes in November.