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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2020, 08:34:09 PM »
First impressions, it doesnt look good for the cop(s), but I think I'll wait until there's more info.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2020, 09:49:44 PM »
I think most people who “back the badge” don’t condone this type of behavior.

I’d say most of us here probably know or have known a lot of police officers over the years. In my opinion they generally fall into two camps. 1) People looking for a stable career and feel they’re doing a civic duty and 2) people who are bullies or were bullied and want to have some kind of power.

These types of incidents are probably almost all attributable to the latter type. But law enforcement personnel have a difficult job and they’re expected to handle all these run-ins with all types of criminals who harass and bait and curse at them, spit on them, threaten to kill their families, etc whether they signed up for civic duty or to have power over people.

Of course they know what they’re signing up for when they join the ranks, but a lot of these people are coming on in their early 20s thinking they’re going to be Crockett and Tubbs and then they’re either shuffling papers or breaking up domestic disputes or seeing horrible shit they can never forget that haunts them the rest of their lives.

By the time they really figure it out they’re far enough into their careers they feel trapped into remaining in law enforcement and that creates a vicious circle. The verbal abuse, the the constant threat to ones’ personal and family’s safety, the stress, anxiety, depression.

It’s a pretty shitty and thankless job they also attracts a certain element of shitty and resentful people. Considering the mental load these people carry day in and day our and the number of potentially violent run ins they have with all types of potentially dangerous people, mistakes are going to be made.

On the other hand things like this awful incident unfortunately end up as a political football pitting right vs left when it’s really a ridiculously tiny percentage of power hungry jerkoffs that end up doing something like this.

The conversation shouldn’t be about political affiliation, it should be about making sure police departments are properly vetting candidates, training their people properly, and giving them easy access to QUALITY mental health care to help them cope with the immense mental toll the job inherently entails.

Like Murph, I had a similar situation years ago when I was pulled over in Indiana for speeding fairly late at night. I was traveling to Indy for a meeting and the officer got me for 54 in a 35. I was incensed because I had clearly passed the 55 mph sign before I sped up to 54. I said go back and look at where you were sitting and where the 55 mph sign is. That just pissed him off so he wrote me a ticket. I went to court and pled my case with pictures showing where the 55 sign was and the driveway the cop was sitting in when he clocked me, and they threw it out.

As much as we don’t like it, the best policy when confronted with a real or imaginary wrong doing is probably to be calm and respectful and let justice do its job when the time comes. Whether we like it or not, getting shitty with a cop is almost always going to end up making things more difficult than they’d have been otherwise.

I also realize I am a white middle class male, and am less likely statistically to 1) Be pulled over 2) have some sort of citation or charges pressed against me than a black male would. But until we have police with no power and/or emotions, it’s probably best for everyone to act like a reasonable adult when there is a confrontation with law enforcement. Whether a person is innocent or guilty af just let it run it’s course and if and when there’s a court date let the evidence and your civility do the talking.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2020, 11:09:44 PM »
Well, forcing someone to wear a mask everywhere is a violation of rights. If its in a privately owned building then that is just fine, go somewhere else. I dont always defend the police. From that video, they were most certainly in the wrong. Im curious how it got to that point though. My assumption is, Mr Floyd resisted arrest violently, but time will tell. Even then, that cop should have let him up as they were in no danger at that point. Regardless, Im willing to bet it could have never gotten to that point.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2020, 11:15:09 PM »

It’s a pretty shitty and thankless job they also attracts a certain element of shitty and resentful people. Considering the mental load these people carry day in and day our and the number of potentially violent run ins they have with all types of potentially dangerous people, mistakes are going to be made.

On the other hand things like this awful incident unfortunately end up as a political football pitting right vs left when it’s really a ridiculously tiny percentage of power hungry jerkoffs that end up doing something like this.

The conversation shouldn’t be about political affiliation, it should be about making sure police departments are properly vetting candidates, training their people properly, and giving them easy access to QUALITY mental health care to help them cope with the immense mental toll the job inherently entails.


That's the entire conversation Kaepernick is trying to start. That we have this problem in our police departments, but the PD's as a group are loathe to do anything about it, and the problem disproportionately impacts African Americans.

The reason political affiliation comes into play is that the Democratic officials understand that, and Republican officials understand that their base does not, and choose to argue the opposite to stay in power.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2020, 05:12:17 AM »

It’s a pretty shitty and thankless job they also attracts a certain element of shitty and resentful people. Considering the mental load these people carry day in and day our and the number of potentially violent run ins they have with all types of potentially dangerous people, mistakes are going to be made.

On the other hand things like this awful incident unfortunately end up as a political football pitting right vs left when it’s really a ridiculously tiny percentage of power hungry jerkoffs that end up doing something like this.

The conversation shouldn’t be about political affiliation, it should be about making sure police departments are properly vetting candidates, training their people properly, and giving them easy access to QUALITY mental health care to help them cope with the immense mental toll the job inherently entails.


That's the entire conversation Kaepernick is trying to start. That we have this problem in our police departments, but the PD's as a group are loathe to do anything about it, and the problem disproportionately impacts African Americans.

The reason political affiliation comes into play is that the Democratic officials understand that, and Republican officials understand that their base does not, and choose to argue the opposite to stay in power.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2020, 05:20:42 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-will-sign-an-executive-order-on-social-media-companies-w-house-spokeswoman/ar-BB14GtJ5?li=BBnbcA1
Twitter cant put fact checks on people if they want to be considered a "forum". Doing that shit makes them a "publisher" and no longer shielded to liability.

That is a lame opinion offered by Trump supporters. I don't think so. The law specifically allows them restrict access to  objectionable material. 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2020, 10:28:57 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-will-sign-an-executive-order-on-social-media-companies-w-house-spokeswoman/ar-BB14GtJ5?li=BBnbcA1
Twitter cant put fact checks on people if they want to be considered a "forum". Doing that shit makes them a "publisher" and no longer shielded to liability.

That is a lame opinion offered by Trump supporters. I don't think so. The law specifically allows them restrict access to  objectionable material.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-104publ104/pdf/PLAW-104publ104.pdf

its an interesting case at least, and quite the law that is still open to interpretation as far as this emerging technology goes

my guess is that big tech can do whatever they want, and fuck you if you disagree

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2020, 10:34:17 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-will-sign-an-executive-order-on-social-media-companies-w-house-spokeswoman/ar-BB14GtJ5?li=BBnbcA1
Twitter cant put fact checks on people if they want to be considered a "forum". Doing that shit makes them a "publisher" and no longer shielded to liability.

That is a lame opinion offered by Trump supporters. I don't think so. The law specifically allows them restrict access to  objectionable material.
Saying there is mail in vote fraud, when there is, is not objectionable. But why would the article want to tell you that ? Twitter asked for a problem.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2020, 10:43:45 AM »
https://twitter.com/mukhtaryare/status/1265176544072302592

Do we have confirmation the cop is politically conservative?

Actions speak loudly.

we really don't know if George Floyd was black or not. After all, he hadn't voted for Joe Biden yet...

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I'd rather vote for a guy that knows the meaning of per capita, but that's just me.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2020, 01:33:14 PM »
Well, forcing someone to wear a mask everywhere is a violation of rights. If its in a privately owned building then that is just fine, go somewhere else. I dont always defend the police. From that video, they were most certainly in the wrong. Im curious how it got to that point though. My assumption is, Mr Floyd resisted arrest violently, but time will tell. Even then, that cop should have let him up as they were in no danger at that point. Regardless, Im willing to bet it could have never gotten to that point.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2020, 01:37:18 PM »

It’s a pretty shitty and thankless job they also attracts a certain element of shitty and resentful people. Considering the mental load these people carry day in and day our and the number of potentially violent run ins they have with all types of potentially dangerous people, mistakes are going to be made.

On the other hand things like this awful incident unfortunately end up as a political football pitting right vs left when it’s really a ridiculously tiny percentage of power hungry jerkoffs that end up doing something like this.

The conversation shouldn’t be about political affiliation, it should be about making sure police departments are properly vetting candidates, training their people properly, and giving them easy access to QUALITY mental health care to help them cope with the immense mental toll the job inherently entails.


That's the entire conversation Kaepernick is trying to start. That we have this problem in our police departments, but the PD's as a group are loathe to do anything about it, and the problem disproportionately impacts African Americans.

The reason political affiliation comes into play is that the Democratic officials understand that, and Republican officials understand that their base does not, and choose to argue the opposite to stay in power.
Im sure it has nothing to do with African Americans committing 70% of the crime. Your leftism is hilarious. You do realize that Minneapolis has been and is ran by hard core Democrats. This type of stuff should not be happening in a city of pure Democratic utopia.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2020, 07:03:56 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-will-sign-an-executive-order-on-social-media-companies-w-house-spokeswoman/ar-BB14GtJ5?li=BBnbcA1
Twitter cant put fact checks on people if they want to be considered a "forum". Doing that shit makes them a "publisher" and no longer shielded to liability.

That is a lame opinion offered by Trump supporters. I don't think so. The law specifically allows them restrict access to  objectionable material.
Saying there is mail in vote fraud, when there is, is not objectionable. But why would the article want to tell you that ? Twitter asked for a problem.

Except that is not the case.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2020, 07:05:06 PM »
https://twitter.com/mukhtaryare/status/1265176544072302592

Do we have confirmation the cop is politically conservative?

Actions speak loudly.

we really don't know if George Floyd was black or not. After all, he hadn't voted for Joe Biden yet...

"His point is if you're voting for Trump in 2020 after all you've seen and heard, and you're a black person, that certainly calls into question your black political identity. I agree with that wholeheartedly." -- Ravi Perry


I'd rather vote for a guy that knows the meaning of per capita, but that's just me.

it was a joke, dipshit

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2020, 07:27:37 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-will-sign-an-executive-order-on-social-media-companies-w-house-spokeswoman/ar-BB14GtJ5?li=BBnbcA1
Twitter cant put fact checks on people if they want to be considered a "forum". Doing that shit makes them a "publisher" and no longer shielded to liability.

That is a lame opinion offered by Trump supporters. I don't think so. The law specifically allows them restrict access to  objectionable material.
Saying there is mail in vote fraud, when there is, is not objectionable. But why would the article want to tell you that ? Twitter asked for a problem.

Except that is not the case.

"There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent, Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone ...

living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there, will get one. That will be followed up with professionals telling all of these people, many of whom have never even thought of voting before, how, and for whom, to vote. This will be a Rigged Election. No way!"


What you need to know
- Trump claimed that mail-in ballots would lead to "a Rigged Election." However, fact-checkers say there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.
- Trump falsely claimed that California will send mail-in ballots to "anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there." In fact, only registered voters will receive ballots.
- Five states already vote entirely by mail and all states offer some form of mail-in absentee voting, according to NBC News.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2020, 08:50:40 PM »
https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america
And this is under the current vote system, not national mail-in with ballot harvesting.

Good observation. 5 year olds won't get ballots. Trump should have pointed that out. I'm pretty sure it had more to do with if deceased voters and voters who have moved are not purged from registered voter lists, they can get a mail ballot at their last address on file.

I believe Twitter walked back on the last issue.

I can't imagine national ballot harvesting being an issue. lol.
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