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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8130 on: November 03, 2025, 08:10:45 AM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8131 on: November 03, 2025, 08:31:41 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 03, 2025, 07:53:57 AM
You probably meant to say allegedly changed it. I was actually clarifying. If we are going to be accurate, none of us have first hand knowledge of the events. Schwab's version of events comes across as consistent and credible.

The pattern of deception seems to continue from Trump's first term. Would it be excessive to say it has escalated?

The disturbing part is when it goes beyond the normal spin cycle we expect, to flat out lying.

Don't you ever get tired of being lied to?

lol that.
Lol. The mayor let them go could have been one of your 1st clues.

And if the AI version started with "The lie: Schwab claimed ......." I would question the AI.
Or did AI start with "Schwab claimed....." ? A claim is just a claim.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8132 on: November 03, 2025, 09:01:46 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on November 03, 2025, 08:31:41 AM
Lol. The mayor let them go could have been one of your 1st clues.

And if the AI version started with "The lie: Schwab claimed ......." I would question the AI.
Or did AI start with "Schwab claimed....." ? A claim is just a claim.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Who claimed the mayor let them go?

Schwab's claim was credible and fact based. He resigned rather than lie.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8133 on: November 03, 2025, 09:09:57 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 03, 2025, 09:01:46 AM
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Who claimed the mayor let them go?

Schwab's claim was credible and fact based. He resigned rather than lie.
The credible guy said it, which I posted for you in my 1st response to your AI "The lie."

"Schwab, noting that ICE arrested 232 of roughly 1,000 undocumented immigrants it set out to detain that day. “But what they publicly said was that [Schaaf] let people go. Not true.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/former-ice-spokesman-speaks-out-i-was-asked-to-perpetuate-a-flat-out-lie_n_5b34ca4ee4b0cb56051fecd8
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8134 on: November 03, 2025, 01:04:44 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8135 on: November 03, 2025, 01:50:38 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 03, 2025, 07:53:57 AM

Don't you ever get tired of being lied to?

From Ken Dilanian and Carole Leonnig on Nov 1.

"Senior Justice Department and FBI officials expressed frustration Friday that FBI Director Kash Patel publicly disclosed an investigation into what he called a “potential” Halloween weekend terrorist plot near Detroit — before investigators had a chance to flesh out key details, ...."

"But the sources said the investigation was in its early stages, with no criminal charges prepared and no clear understanding of what exactly the suspects planned to do and where."

73 pages of criminal complaint were filed the same day. Lol

https://t.co/pUtLOQtmoU
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8136 on: November 03, 2025, 02:09:58 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 03, 2025, 07:53:57 AM
The disturbing part is when it goes beyond the normal spin cycle we expect, to flat out lying.

Don't you ever get tired of being lied to?

lol at that.

Lied *to*? He's the one doing the lying!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8137 on: November 03, 2025, 02:12:48 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on November 03, 2025, 01:50:38 PM
From Ken Dilanian and Carole Leonnig on Friday.

"Senior Justice Department and FBI officials expressed frustration Friday that FBI Director Kash Patel publicly disclosed an investigation into what he called a “potential” Halloween weekend terrorist plot near Detroit — before investigators had a chance to flesh out key details, ...."

"But the sources said the investigation was in its early stages, with no criminal charges prepared and no clear understanding of what exactly the suspects planned to do and where."

73 pages of criminal complaint were filed the same day. Lol

https://t.co/pUtLOQtmoU

OK I'm confused

What's the point of this post? Is it good that Patel disclosed details of an ongoing investigation?

Trump spent all last night on 60 minutes saying "I'm not gonna tell you that" because he was being all super secretive about stuff about which transparency would be better, and Patel compromises an ongoing investigation to a terror plot, and those are both good things?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8138 on: November 03, 2025, 06:19:28 PM »
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You are parsing his words, saying he meant something he clearly didn't. He obviously meant let them avoid arrest

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"Sessions blamed Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf for allowing 800 “wanted aliens” to escape arrest by tipping off the public about ICE plans to raid the city.

But Schwab said that Sessions’ claim was “completely false” and that Justice Department and ICE officials grossly exaggerated the mayor’s impact on the number of arrests.

“Internally, that [raid] was considered a success,” said Schwab, noting that ICE arrested 232 of roughly 1,000 undocumented immigrants it set out to detain that day. “But what they publicly said was that [Schaaf] let people go. Not true.”
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8139 on: November 03, 2025, 06:36:26 PM »
Hey Mn, how do you feel about the fact that Epstein and Trump we’re best pals?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8140 on: November 03, 2025, 06:53:18 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on November 03, 2025, 02:12:48 PM
What's the point of this post? Is it good that Patel disclosed details of an ongoing investigation?

I guess the transition from online trash-talker to director of the FBI can be challenging.  I’ll remember this if I ever find myself appointed to a position of massive responsibility for which I have zero qualifications.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8141 on: November 03, 2025, 06:56:34 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8142 on: November 03, 2025, 09:44:05 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on November 03, 2025, 02:12:48 PM
OK I'm confused

What's the point of this post? Is it good that Patel disclosed details of an ongoing investigation?

Trump spent all last night on 60 minutes saying "I'm not gonna tell you that" because he was being all super secretive about stuff about which transparency would be better, and Patel compromises an ongoing investigation to a terror plot, and those are both good things?

Why the fuck would he tell 60 minutes if we would go to war against China if they got more aggressive with Taiwan?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8143 on: November 04, 2025, 08:33:28 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 03, 2025, 06:19:28 PM
You are parsing his words, saying he meant something he clearly didn't. He obviously meant let them avoid arrest

He'd been a spokesperson "for the U.S. Army Reserve Element, a public affairs office for the NASA Ames Research Center, and a public affairs specialist for the U.S. Department of Defense, before joining ICE in 2015."
All that experience and suddenly he can't say what he meant to say ? Lol, there's a better chance that he knew exactly what he was saying and how he wanted it to be perceived.
 
"To say that 100 percent are dangerous criminals on the street, ....... is just wrong,” Schwab said.
When did Sessions or Homan say that 100 percent are dangerous criminals ?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8144 on: November 04, 2025, 10:41:10 AM »
Quote from: Custard on November 03, 2025, 09:44:05 PM
Why the fuck would he tell 60 minutes if we would go to war against China if they got more aggressive with Taiwan?


Why the fuck would Patel disclose details of an ongoing investigation?
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