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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7995 on: October 08, 2025, 11:46:27 AM »
I saw an article by Devlin Barrett and Glenn, WaPo 'factfinder', Thrush this morning about the Dem Judiciary Senators questioning Bondi about "perceived political weaponization of the Justice Department" and not being able to get a straight answer from Bondi yesterday. "..... don't answer, just attack."

The article doesn't mention surveillance of 8 Senators, which included the head of Senate Judiciary.
The article doesn't mention Biden shutting down a CIA report critical of his 'work' in Ukraine.

Devlin Barrett "was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for National Reporting, for coverage of Russian interference in the US election."

Given the attempted coup on Jan 6th, sounds like the FBI and DOJ was actually doing its job in the lead up. Glad to hear.

As for the dumping of the Ukrainian prosecutor backed by the Soviets, that is way old news.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7996 on: October 08, 2025, 12:02:52 PM »
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Viktor Shokin is the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine, whose tenure from 2015 to 2016 became a focal point of international concern over corruption in Europe. His dismissal was a key event in a political controversy involving U.S. and European officials and was later instrumental in the American political debate surrounding Joe Biden.

The controversy over Shokin
Corruption allegations: During his time in office, Shokin was widely accused by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists and Western diplomats of hindering the fight against corruption. The European Union, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the United States called for his removal, believing he was protecting influential figures.

Obstruction of justice: Shokin was accused of failing to prosecute prominent members of the previous government under Viktor Yanukovych and undermining internal anti-corruption efforts. For example, he allegedly sidelined prosecutors who attempted to investigate cases of high-level bribery and corruption.

Failed Burisma investigation: Shokin's handling of the investigation into the energy company Burisma Holdings was a major point of contention. While some, including U.S. Republicans, alleged that his dismissal was to stop a probe into Burisma, evidence indicates that the investigation was inactive under his leadership and he was shielding the company. His former deputy stated the case was "shelved" through 2015.

International pressure and dismissal: Amid calls from international institutions and Western governments, including the threat by then-Vice President Joe Biden to withhold a $1 billion loan guarantee, Ukraine's parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Shokin in March 2016.

Connection to U.S. politics
Rudy Giuliani and conspiracy theories: The baseless claim that Joe Biden sought Shokin's removal to protect his son, Hunter Biden, while he served on the board of Burisma, was promoted by Donald Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other Republican allies.

Trump's impeachment: The matter was central to the 2019 impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump, who was found to have pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to investigate the Bidens.

European and Ukrainian denials: Ukrainian officials, including anti-corruption activists, and European diplomats have consistently affirmed that Shokin's firing was related to his poor performance and obstruction of anti-corruption efforts, rather than the Bidens.

CIA report allegation: On October 8, 2025, India Today and Fox News published reports referencing a newly declassified CIA document that allegedly claims Joe Biden asked the CIA in 2016 not to distribute intelligence regarding Ukrainian officials' concerns over his family's business dealings. This report and its implications are a developing story.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7997 on: October 08, 2025, 12:09:56 PM »
You are more concerned about something that didn't actually happen, and misrepresent what is currently happening.

Someone born in Mexico came here to live with with American relatives 35;years ago. They are now married, have children, and have a job. Where exactly do they belong?

Variations of that story are repeated over and over..

Our immigration system has been broken for a long time. Trump, Homan, Miller, et al aren't the solution.
In 35 years, "someone" could have taken the steps for citizenship.
No one is above the law.
Facts are facts.

The Democrats had the White House, the Senate and the House. Other than allowing millions to waltz across the border what did they do to fix what you are told is a broken immigration system.
Facts are facts.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7998 on: October 08, 2025, 12:24:49 PM »
Facts are facts.

Except when ya’ll say they ain’t…
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7999 on: October 08, 2025, 12:27:08 PM »
The Democrats had the White House, the Senate and the House. Other than allowing millions to waltz across the border what did they do to fix what you are told is a broken immigration system.
Facts are facts.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/what-is-the-bipartisan-border-bill/

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8000 on: October 08, 2025, 12:31:20 PM »

No one is above the law.
Facts are facts.


Really?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8001 on: October 08, 2025, 12:34:10 PM »
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/what-is-the-bipartisan-border-bill/
The bipartisan border bill was a 2024 bill.

What did the Democrats do to fix what Ray says is a broken immigration system when the Dems had the WH, the Senate and the House ?

The Biden administration destroyed what had been the system for years.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8002 on: October 08, 2025, 01:01:27 PM »
Shooting a praying preacher in the head is always a good look.
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« Reply #8003 on: October 08, 2025, 01:04:17 PM »
The bipartisan border bill was a 2024 bill.

What did the Democrats do to fix what Ray says is a broken immigration system when the Dems had the WH, the Senate and the House ?

The Biden administration destroyed what had been the system for years.

“Controlling” the Senate doesn’t mean the majority party gets to pass whatever it wants.  Unless you want to change the filibuster rule.  It’s been that way for decades.  Before Trump and Biden.  We're seeing that issue play out today. 

So Democratic senators realized they would have to work with Republican senators to pass a meaningful immigration bill in the Senate.  They also needed to negotiate with Republicans to get support from some of their own members like Manchin and Sinema.  And that’s what they did in 2024.  Kudos to all the D and R senators who sat down and worked out an agreement.   

Biden supported the bill, though I believe he should have acted earlier in his term.  Nonetheless, that immigration bill would have passed both houses, but Trump opposed it and the bill died. 

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8004 on: October 08, 2025, 01:06:43 PM »
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Assertions that President Biden's policies have "allowed millions of unvetted illegal immigrants into the country" are a subject of intense political debate, and the phrasing misrepresents the complexity of U.S. immigration processes. While millions of border encounters have occurred during the Biden administration, migrants are not being "allowed in" without being processed by officials. The vetting process, however, differs depending on the immigration policy in effect and has been widely criticized.

Key facts about the Biden administration's immigration policies:

High migrant encounters, but not all are "unvetted" or "illegal": The number of encounters at the U.S. border reached historic highs during the Biden presidency, peaking at over 3.2 million nationwide in fiscal year (FY) 2023. However, this total does not represent the number of unique individuals, as it includes repeat crossing attempts. Moreover, the vast majority of migrants undergo some level of screening, but the thoroughness of the vetting process varies based on the entry pathway.

Use of immigration parole: The Biden administration has used immigration parole at an unprecedented scale to admit hundreds of thousands of migrants fleeing crises in countries like Afghanistan, Ukraine, Haiti, and Venezuela. Parole allows migrants to legally enter the U.S. for a temporary period but does not grant permanent legal status. Critics argue these mass-parole programs, which have processed over 1.4 million migrants since 2023, lack adequate vetting and are unlawfully implemented.

Concerns over unaccompanied children: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has faced scrutiny for failing to properly vet sponsors for tens of thousands of unaccompanied migrant children. An internal audit found that some children were placed with unvetted sponsors, and in some cases, recommended home studies were not conducted.

Use and phase-out of Title 42: The Trump-era Title 42 policy was expanded under President Biden and used to expel migrants millions of times before it expired in May 2023. While it was in effect, repeat crossings increased significantly because there were no penalties for repeat attempts. Its replacement, an "asylum ban," has also faced legal challenges.

Expedited processing and release: Some of the vetting concerns stem from the use of expedited removal and release programs, which allow migrants to be processed more quickly into the country to await a court date. While these programs include screening, critics argue they are not robust enough, and their use has coincided with a large increase in the number of migrants released into the U.S..

Executive action to limit asylum: In June 2024, President Biden issued an executive order to temporarily restrict asylum eligibility at the southern border during periods of high crossings. The administration argues this was a necessary step to deter illegal migration. Critics, however, say it is similar to restrictions imposed by the Trump administration and violates international obligations.

Increased removals: Despite the surge in migration, the Biden administration has increased border enforcement actions, including arrests, detentions, and removals. A Cato Institute analysis found that President Biden removed or expelled 3.3 million border crossers, a higher number than his predecessor.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #8005 on: October 08, 2025, 01:07:11 PM »
I think letting in millions of unvetted illegals into the country, turning swaths of major cities into their campgrounds while giving them taxpayer money is much more concerning than sending them back where they belong. Yeah, I voted for this, and it’s even better than I expected. But it is certainly stirring the wrath of the violent left.

I was in SF last week, and saw one of the campgrounds. It was full of toothless white meth addicts from Kentucky.

Then I went up to Sonoma County, and saw some unvetted illegals, working in the hot sun, picking grapes.

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« Reply #8006 on: October 08, 2025, 01:10:57 PM »
In 35 years, "someone" could have taken the steps for citizenship.

This is the problem. We have "experts" in rural Minnesota who think they know how the system works.

I have a co-worker, he's been at the company for 15 years. Every 2 years he has to leave the country for a couple of weeks to go deal with immigration to get his Visa renewed. He's been on the list for a *green card* since the day he started. Green card, not citizenship. He says, when I eventually get citizenship, my son will be old enough to be my sponsor. This guy is a Senior Director, making probably 500k+ a year.

Steps. Right. The only steps being taken are Republicans making sure THERE ARE NO STEPS.

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« Reply #8007 on: October 08, 2025, 01:12:35 PM »
This is the problem. We have "experts" in rural Minnesota who think they know how the system works.

I have a co-worker, he's been at the company for 15 years. Every 2 years he has to leave the country for a couple of weeks to go deal with immigration to get his Visa renewed. He's been on the list for a *green card* since the day he started. Green card, not citizenship. He says, when I eventually get citizenship, my son will be old enough to be my sponsor. This guy is a Senior Director, making probably 500k+ a year.

Steps. Right. The only steps being taken are Republicans making sure THERE ARE NO STEPS.

Yeah. Well, it's gonna be a lot harder for him now. Like, if I were him, I would probably leave and not come back.
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« Reply #8008 on: October 08, 2025, 01:14:12 PM »
Yeah. Well, it's gonna be a lot harder for him now. Like, if I were him, I would probably leave and not come back.

Then Murph can hire Tempo for that dude's job!
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« Reply #8009 on: October 08, 2025, 01:15:17 PM »
Then Murph can hire Tempo for that dude's job!

Why would Tempo take that job, when he can get Ubers?
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