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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7485 on: September 15, 2025, 01:45:37 PM »
Please elucidate as to your prediction of what will come from the Kirk assassination that "The Left" will not like?

I'm truly curious, Mr Keyboard Warrior. What are you going to do?

What’re you gonna do with all your money to help the poor and mentally ill?!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7486 on: September 15, 2025, 01:55:57 PM »
What’re you gonna do with all your money to help the poor and mentally ill?!

I'll know as soon as Mn graces us with the solution he claims to have!

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7487 on: September 15, 2025, 02:09:36 PM »
Please elucidate as to your prediction of what will come from the Kirk assassination that "The Left" will not like?

I'm truly curious, Mr Keyboard Warrior. What are you going to do?

Too many people keep trying to measure this kid on the left/right Democrat/Republican spectrum.  Here’s my wild ass guess.  He was sucked into an online community where those labels mean virtually nothing to him, or the people he was trying to impress.

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« Reply #7488 on: September 15, 2025, 02:18:19 PM »
Too many people keep trying to measure this kid on the left/right Democrat/Republican spectrum.  Here’s my wild ass guess.  He was sucked into an online community where those labels mean virtually nothing to him, or the people he was trying to impress.

And now we are navigating this with a bunch of people in an online community who can't comprehend that, and feel there must be some well planned CIA level shit motive for this kid.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7489 on: September 15, 2025, 07:08:17 PM »
Reagan put them all on the streets and they’ve been trying to recover ever since.

Reagan apparently did that in California.

The national process was a lot more complex. It started with JFK, was furthered by Carter, and completed by Reagan..

I argued this with a liberal woman, may she RIP. She said Carter didn't put them on the streets. He desinstutionslized them!

Carter and Reagan also kicked a bunch of people off of SSDI and SSI that wound up unhoused.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7490 on: September 15, 2025, 09:01:46 PM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7491 on: September 15, 2025, 09:55:18 PM »
AI Overview

Ronald Reagan did not initiate the process of emptying mental institutions, but his policies as governor of California and later as president significantly accelerated and solidified deinstitutionalization, ultimately contributing to many of its negative consequences.

The start of deinstitutionalization
Deinstitutionalization began long before Reagan took office, driven by several factors:
Widespread criticism: Public awareness grew regarding the deplorable living conditions, neglect, and abuse found in many state-run mental hospitals.

Civil rights advocacy: The civil rights movement and rulings by civil liberties lawyers challenged the legality and ethics of involuntary commitment, asserting that individuals with mental illness should be treated in the "least restrictive setting".

New medications: The development of antipsychotic drugs like Thorazine in the mid-1950s made it possible to manage some patients' symptoms outside of an institutional setting.

Federal legislation: In 1963, President John F. Kennedy signed the Community Mental Health Act, which provided federal funding to establish community-based mental health centers as an alternative to state hospitals. The hope was to treat patients closer to home and release them from "warehousing".

Reagan's role as governor and president
As Governor of California (1967–1975)
Signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (1967): This bipartisan bill made it much more difficult to involuntarily commit individuals in California. While its goals were considered progressive and laudable at the time, the law was implemented without adequate funding for the promised community-based care.

Used budget cuts: Reagan's administration cut the state mental health budget, using the patient population's decline as a justification. The lack of funding for follow-up care meant many released patients were left without a support system. The number of mentally ill people entering California's criminal justice system subsequently doubled.

As President (1981–1989)
Repealed key funding: As president, Reagan signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, which repealed President Jimmy Carter's Mental Health Systems Act. It replaced direct federal funding for mental health centers with block grants to the states.

Resulted in funding cuts: Many states reduced their spending on mental health, allowing the federal block grant funding to lapse or be diverted to other projects. The community centers that were built were left underfunded, undermining the entire system of community-based care that was supposed to replace the institutions.
The outcome of underfunded deinstitutionalization

Due to inadequate planning and underfunded community resources, the well-intentioned policy of deinstitutionalization became a crisis.

The number of psychiatric beds in state hospitals dropped by over 90% between 1955 and 1994, but they were never adequately replaced.

Many individuals with severe mental illness were left without necessary care and support.

This led to a phenomenon called "transinstitutionalization," where many mentally ill individuals ended up in jails, prisons, or on the streets. Today, the largest mental health care providers are often the country's jails and prisons.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7492 on: September 15, 2025, 10:26:35 PM »
Today, the largest mental health care providers are often the country's jails and prisons.

Which keeps the public safe but which cash free bond circumvents.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7493 on: September 15, 2025, 11:08:39 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7494 on: September 15, 2025, 11:13:38 PM »
Which keeps the public safe but which cash free bond circumvents.

Nothing prevents them remanding dangerous individuals to some sort of custody. .
 
Released is released, with or without cash bail.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7495 on: September 15, 2025, 11:21:44 PM »
Why can’t he just be helpful? I should scour pages and pages looking for a vague reference because he can’t be considerate?

Zionist Bot said that to justify his joy over Kirk’s death.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7496 on: September 15, 2025, 11:24:37 PM »
Maybe the dog told him to?

You have proved my point that shows why we are fucked. Why does there have to be a motive? A sane person would only do something because they had a motive. The thing with insanity is that the behaviors we expect because of our own sanity don’t apply… that’s why we don’t understand the insanity - because we are sane. Trying to deduce what motivates someone who’s dysfunctional is pointless

Yeah we’re fucked because the bleeding hearts wanted to deinstitutionalize the mentally ill and put them back on the streets decades ago. Years later all those people reproduced and now the same bleeding hearts think they just need Buddha and some antipsychotics and cash free bail and kind words and everything will be fine.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7497 on: September 16, 2025, 12:13:53 AM »
Yeah we’re fucked because the bleeding hearts wanted to deinstitutionalize the mentally ill and put them back on the streets decades ago. Years later all those people reproduced and now the same bleeding hearts think they just need Buddha and some antipsychotics and cash free bail and kind words and everything will be fine.

Strawman.

I claim he didn't have to have a motive because he was crazy. You move on to the next goalpost.

Cash free bail - also a strawman. Dangerous criminals are remanded without bail, cash or cash free.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7498 on: September 16, 2025, 12:26:36 AM »
Strawman.

I claim he didn't have to have a motive because he was crazy. You move on to the next goalpost.

Cash free bail - also a strawman. Dangerous criminals are remanded without bail, cash or cash free.

Gun control is a strawman too…

He absolutely had to have a motive. You don’t just calculated go out and do what he did to a specific person the way he did and not have a motive. It wasn’t because he’s crazy. Otherwise he’d just start shooting people and not plan it out. You’re crazy if you don’t think he had a motive. Bizarre. Disingenuous…
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7499 on: September 16, 2025, 12:45:50 AM »
Gun control is a strawman too…

He absolutely had to have a motive. You don’t just calculated go out and do what he did to a specific person the way he did and not have a motive. It wasn’t because he’s crazy. Otherwise he’d just start shooting people and not plan it out. You’re crazy if you don’t think he had a motive. Bizarre. Disingenuous…

ok genius. What was his motive?