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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5220 on: June 24, 2024, 05:02:22 PM »
Maybe they can use some of those shovel ready jobs to resolve the issue now
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5221 on: June 24, 2024, 05:53:36 PM »
The right wing considers infrastructure maintenance to be wasteful spending.

I don't think that's necessarily the case in the US Senate.  I think it passed a bipartisan infrastructure bill in 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/10/us/politics/infrastructure-bill-passes.html

Sixteen Republicans voted for the Senate bill in the House, though it was called a "socialist wish list" and "radical spending" by the usual suspects.

Interestingly, some of the GOP opponents are now seeking infrastructure dollars for projects in their congressional districts. Better late than never I guess.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/07/politics/infrastructure-spending-republican-critics

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5222 on: June 24, 2024, 08:59:28 PM »
Maybe they can use some of those shovel ready jobs to resolve the issue now

Joe Biden shut the border, no immigrants to use the shovels

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5223 on: June 24, 2024, 09:00:35 PM »
Interestingly, some of the GOP opponents are now seeking infrastructure dollars for projects in their congressional districts. Better late than never I guess.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/07/politics/infrastructure-spending-republican-critics

They know their voters are low information, and won't figure out that they voted against the bill that brought home the bacon

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5224 on: June 26, 2024, 09:21:32 AM »
Sorry, Custard, Mn, and the Soviets.... Let the censorship efforts restart!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-biden-social-media-censorship-case/
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5225 on: June 26, 2024, 12:34:51 PM »
Sorry, Custard, Mn, and the Soviets.... Let the censorship efforts restart!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-biden-social-media-censorship-case/

I don't have an answer. We do know that there are limits on free speech:  defamation / slander / libel.

How about defamation of science? Defamation of vaccines? Does freedom of speech include the right to disseminate disinformation that does actual harm?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5226 on: June 26, 2024, 02:22:50 PM »
Tricky situation. How much of a nanny state do you want? Who is controlling the narrative around what exactly constitutes disinformation or the defamation of science/vaccines? Pfizer? The government, which is bought and paid for by the corporate ruling class? What could possibly go wrong?  We’ve already seen private big tech platforms act on behalf of candidates and administrations while removing others entirely. I’d just as soon sort it out myself, thank you very much.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5227 on: June 26, 2024, 02:43:51 PM »
Tricky situation. How much of a nanny state do you want? Who is controlling the narrative around what exactly constitutes disinformation or the defamation of science/vaccines? Pfizer? The government, which is bought and paid for by the corporate ruling class? What could possibly go wrong?  We’ve already seen private big tech platforms act on behalf of candidates and administrations while removing others entirely. I’d just as soon sort it out myself, thank you very much.

Dude - Roseanne Barr is claiming that Jill Biden was Joe Biden's babysitter because she "googled it"

You're concern trolling here - the status quo of the disinformation firehouse is what's wrong. The problem being we have a large population - actually called "The Baby Boomers" it's such a large demographic, with a lethal cocktail of being raised to believe what they read because they grew up in an era where published information was generally well vetted combined with old age creating susceptible brains.

Oddly that population is apparently tilting towards Biden while younger voters might be doing the opposite. My theory is that the older population is becoming aware of what they've created, and the younger folk are just so pissed off they are becoming gullible to populism (along with the Boomers destroying the education system)

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5228 on: June 26, 2024, 02:48:58 PM »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5229 on: June 26, 2024, 03:58:32 PM »
So basically you’re calling for the creation of a Ministry of Truth?

George Orwell, eat your heart out!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5230 on: June 26, 2024, 04:35:03 PM »
I don't have an answer. We do know that there are limits on free speech:  defamation / slander / libel.

How about defamation of science? Defamation of vaccines? Does freedom of speech include the right to disseminate disinformation that does actual harm?

Well…controversial points of view are one thing.  But outright falsehoods that create public safety issues is another.   It appears this case wasn't determined on merits but standing. 

I would have no problem if Congress or even SCOTUS stepped in to clarify the line between “permissible attempts to persuade and impermissible attempts to coerce.” 



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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5231 on: June 26, 2024, 05:20:01 PM »
So basically you’re calling for the creation of a Ministry of Truth?

George Orwell, eat your heart out!

Department of Irony department there.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5232 on: June 28, 2024, 02:36:07 PM »
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”


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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #5234 on: July 05, 2024, 11:18:44 AM »


And people wonder why they say the left can’t meme
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