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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #990 on: March 03, 2021, 08:14:32 PM »
Corrected

"Although his Democratic critics derided Limbaugh listeners as uneducated and easily led, a study by the Pew Research Center found that Dittoheads were on average better informed than listeners of NPR and were more likely than public radio or C-SPAN audiences to have college degrees."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/rush-limbaugh-dead/2021/02/17/61bacd24-e04b-11e7-8679-a9728984779c_story.html

I couldn't get past the WaPo paywall to read the article.   

Unless you can link to the study cited by the WaPo reporter, I'm not buying what you're trying to sell based on what I found on the Pew Research Center web site for 2012, cited above.     
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #991 on: March 03, 2021, 08:31:02 PM »
I couldn't get past the WaPo paywall to read the article.   

Unless you can link to the study cited by the WaPo reporter, I'm not buying what you're trying to sell based on what I found on the Pew Research Center web site for 2012, cited above.   

This is the link they provided:

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/legacy-pdf/319.pdf

It actually seems to show NPR listeners were very slightly better educated and informed than Limbaugh listeners.  Still, it appears to indicate half of Limbaugh audience were college grads. 
« Last Edit: March 03, 2021, 09:33:41 PM by illiniray »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #992 on: March 03, 2021, 08:36:05 PM »
Unless you can link to the study cited by the WaPo reporter, I'm not buying what you're trying to sell based on what I found on the Pew Research Center web site for 2012, cited above.   
It seems too easy, but some things really are that easy.

The WaPo link is just an obituary, written by Marc Fisher, who should know better. Unfortunately (for purposes of misinformation & misdirection), Pew has also earned a glowing reputation, so we treat them with an earned respect.

That's why the substance is important. And in this case, "substance" is the key concept.

The survey doesn't seek to determine depth of knowledge, but breadth of general topical awareness. i.e. how well the participants might perform in a trivia contest.  Do they know that Republicans control the house? Do they know who Tom Foley/Nancy Pelosi is. Do they know that Chief Justice Roberts is conservative?

That last question is qualified later in the survey as CJR being "generally considered to be" conservative, but you can see the problematic subjectivity in either stance. Whose general consideration prevails? Because the NPR audience would say he is, for sure. The Rush people who demand that he be hanged, because he's a communist.

PDF warning http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/legacy-pdf/319.pdf

The NPR crowd probably got docked some points for not knowing who Peyton Manning and Beyonce are. And of course, you find celebrity clickbait on all but the highest-brow publications. Kardashians drive clicks, as do royal marriage problems ... and car wrecks.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #993 on: March 03, 2021, 09:11:31 PM »
as do royal marriage problems ... and car wrecks.

Sometimes they are one and the same.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #994 on: March 03, 2021, 09:35:47 PM »
Ed Zachary.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #995 on: March 03, 2021, 10:42:38 PM »
I’m certain that the NPR crowd knows Beyoncé
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #996 on: March 03, 2021, 10:53:57 PM »
Well, you live a sheltered life.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #997 on: March 03, 2021, 10:57:31 PM »
I think that’s the first time I’ve been told that
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #998 on: March 04, 2021, 07:04:15 PM »
This is the link they provided:

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/legacy-pdf/319.pdf

It actually seems to show NPR listeners were very slightly better educated and informed than Limbaugh listeners.  Still, it appears to indicate half of Limbaugh audience were college grads.

Limbaugh averaged 15 Million a week, NPR far less. There are 350 Million Americans, the smartest of which eschew talk radio completely

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #999 on: March 05, 2021, 10:52:00 AM »
Limbaugh averaged 15 Million a week, NPR far less. There are 350 Million Americans, the smartest of which eschew talk radio completely
And message boards!
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1000 on: March 05, 2021, 11:32:43 AM »
Most likely some of Lmbaugh's audience grasped satire and some didn't. Same with Jon Stewart's audience. Doesn't mean the satire was valid or not.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1001 on: March 05, 2021, 12:14:28 PM »
Some of Rush's satire probably crossed a line. I'm not sure why. There is this:

"The real difference is that comedy shows or segments that are legitimately funny always punch up"
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/why-punching-down-will-never-be-funny

versus this:

"the phrase “good satire always punches up” is not only false and ill-informed, but ultimately dangerous to the future of the art form."
https://electricliterature.com/the-limitations-of-punching-up/

I think the punch up / punch down distinction is useful, but limited.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1002 on: March 05, 2021, 01:22:16 PM »
Limbaugh averaged 15 Million a week, NPR far less.
NPR's magazine shows average about 15. Rush was suspected of garnering 25 to 30, but Arbitron didn't really know how to measure them.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #1003 on: March 07, 2021, 12:59:00 AM »
Some of Rush's satire probably crossed a line. I'm not sure why. There is this:

"The real difference is that comedy shows or segments that are legitimately funny always punch up"
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/why-punching-down-will-never-be-funny

versus this:

"the phrase “good satire always punches up” is not only false and ill-informed, but ultimately dangerous to the future of the art form."
https://electricliterature.com/the-limitations-of-punching-up/

I think the punch up / punch down distinction is useful, but limited.
I wouldn’t say good satire “always” punches up, but it’s hard to make good satire when you’re punching down.

Rush failed a lot more than he succeeded in that regard. Although there is a legitimate question as to whether he was “punching up” or “punching down” sometimes.

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Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"