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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #930 on: March 01, 2021, 10:52:39 AM »
There were socially conservative bigots in ancient literature?
There have always been angry old men who don’t like the way the world is changing.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #931 on: March 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM »
Helped create? Maybe I' could almost by that.  I am tempted to say that Westbrook Pegler originated it with his attacks on "bleeding heart liberals". From what I can gather; he helped foster "Archie Bunker" blue collar conservatives that became the current America First crowd.  That is Trump's base.

Nobody knows who Westbrook Pegler is.

Rush Limbaugh had the most listened to radio show in history

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #932 on: March 01, 2021, 11:23:49 AM »
Yes, I thought Rush was funny in the 90’s, when I was younger and sheltered from the reality that women, minorities, LGBTQ, etc. face on a daily basis. Rush has always been an asshat. He seemed funnier to conservatives back then because his asshattery was more original. Which is exactly my point: once his brand of asshattery became normalized (due to his own efforts), he seemed stale.

It’s ok to look back at that time and realize (as I do) that you thought Rush was funny because you were also a bit of an asshat yourself back then. Not because Rush was somehow better back then.

Good post.

Until I went to Champaign, I had known two African American people and one jewish person in my life. Note, I didn't use the term African American, I probably said "black" but I can say for certain that the N word left my lips unironically even if not maliciously. I presumably knew plenty of LGBT people but they were closeted and for good reason, and anyone suspected of being gay would be mocked. We had a large latino population and the terms beaner and spic were used like the N word in the old south.

Boulder is an interesting place, it's a "liberal bastion" but unbelievably homogenous (no Latinos in Boulder, they were redlined to certain areas of Longmont). I used to say that Boulder's liberalism was "never put to the test", now I'm old enough to know that's a horseshit take, it's not a test.

So yeah, a lot of Rush' takes in the 90's I could laugh at like a racist joke I didn't understand how racist it was. But I grew out of that pretty damn quick. He was an asshole, period.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #933 on: March 01, 2021, 02:29:46 PM »
Just his arrogance should have been enough for forestall any debate on this subject.

But encouraging people to parrot him ("ditto") rather than think for themselves is even worse than arrogance.k

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #934 on: March 01, 2021, 03:30:32 PM »
Fascinating how posters  here know more about "All in the Family" than Norman Lear.

 "Lear is a political activist, part of the so-called Malibu Mafia who funded liberal and progressive causes and politicians. Lear was a silent partner of The Nation magazine and founded the advocacy organization People for the American Way in 1980 to counter the Christian right in politics." -- wikipedia

I don't know why you assume we're unaware of Norman Lear, but I also don't know why you're bending over backwards to defend one of the most loathsome, hateful, divisive persons in history.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #935 on: March 01, 2021, 04:04:30 PM »
Just his arrogance should have been enough for forestall any debate on this subject.

But encouraging people to parrot him ("ditto") rather than think for themselves is even worse than arrogance.k

I never quite grasped why many people are so frightened and unwilling to think for themselves until I read Sartre.

As long as that huge segment of society exists there will be always be platforms and personalities competing for its attention.

To make matters worse, now everyone has multiple platforms to propagate and spread their bad/dangerous ideas in seconds. On the other hand, we have a lot more quality information at our finger tips than at any other time in human history.

But then we are back to researching and thinking for ourselves.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #936 on: March 01, 2021, 04:49:03 PM »
Not what ditto head meant.
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”

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« Reply #937 on: March 01, 2021, 05:03:15 PM »
When the Rush Limbaugh show started in 1988, many callers would express how much they loved the show. It took a lot of air time, so he asked them to just say "dittos" to agree with previous callers who like the show. It doesn't mean that they agree with everything he says. If you were one of his 30 million listeners you would know this.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rush%20Limbaugh%20Ditto%20Head
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« Reply #938 on: March 01, 2021, 05:06:08 PM »
Most definitions of dittohead give the misconception.
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #939 on: March 01, 2021, 05:13:48 PM »
A real life Archie Bunker would have been familiar with Westbrook Pegler.
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”

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« Reply #940 on: March 01, 2021, 05:34:33 PM »
Interesting that saying Rush was not as evil as Hitler, or correcting misconceptions,  is misconstrued as defending him. In the end, he was what he was, a Republican hack because he sold out his conservative principles to back Trump and recapture an audience.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #941 on: March 01, 2021, 06:07:50 PM »
McLassie for all his book learnin is surprisingly absolutist
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #942 on: March 02, 2021, 08:58:11 AM »
Good post.

Until I went to Champaign, I had known two African American people and one jewish person in my life. Note, I didn't use the term African American, I probably said "black" but I can say for certain that the N word left my lips unironically even if not maliciously. I presumably knew plenty of LGBT people but they were closeted and for good reason, and anyone suspected of being gay would be mocked. We had a large latino population and the terms beaner and spic were used like the N word in the old south.

Boulder is an interesting place, it's a "liberal bastion" but unbelievably homogenous (no Latinos in Boulder, they were redlined to certain areas of Longmont). I used to say that Boulder's liberalism was "never put to the test", now I'm old enough to know that's a horseshit take, it's not a test.

So yeah, a lot of Rush' takes in the 90's I could laugh at like a racist joke I didn't understand how racist it was. But I grew out of that pretty damn quick. He was an asshole, period.
My experience was very similar. Not in Boulder of course, but I think it’s much the same all over the country.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #943 on: March 02, 2021, 09:08:31 AM »
Does anyone have any guidance on disposing of Dr Seuss books ?
Asking for a neighbor. They dont want to recycle racism and the trash pickup person is a person of color sometimes.
Are all the books racist ?
My neighbor is concerned and now horrified that the kids have veen reading racist propaganda.
Thankfully, the kids seem ok to me. But they havent been told yet.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #944 on: March 02, 2021, 09:53:05 AM »
I've heard that Colin Kapernick has a consulting service for this type dilemma.