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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #915 on: February 26, 2021, 02:03:40 PM »
Can someone please post a picture of the golden Trump statute at CPAC for Big10PMan? Holy crap. WTF is wrong with the right?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #916 on: February 27, 2021, 01:44:55 PM »
He didn’t create bigotry. He helped create the atmosphere where being deliberately insensitive to others’ problems was considered legitimate political expression. This behavior was previously considered “just being an asshole.”

Helped create? Maybe I' could almost by that.  I am tempted to say that Westbrook Pegler originated it with his attacks on "bleeding heart liberals". From what I can gather; he helped foster "Archie Bunker" blue collar conservatives that became the current America First crowd.  That is Trump's base.

As you likely know, there are two main streams of conservatism.  One, the aforementioned America Firsters.  They are populist, neomercantilist, nativist-nationalist, xenophobic ... The other is intellectual, globalist. pro-free trade. Both tend to favor low taxes, small government, private property, and free markets.   

They held  together since Buckley banished the JBS through the Reagan-Bush years, largely by a common strong opposition to the Soviet Union.  Anyway, after the demise of the Soviet Union, it became increasingly difficult to hold the two together.     

Limbaugh, like  Reagan, captured the support of both, at least early on. I gather, the "deliberately insensitive to others’ problems" is a reaction to the 'irreverent satire'; most of which panned and parodied the sacred cows of the left? That was a lot of Rush's appeal. In the context of 1988, he was shockingly and outrageously funny. And nuanced at the same time. He loved the women's movement; especially when he was walking behind it. This in contrast with Morton Downey Jr., who was just mean and angry at the "pablum puking liberals."

I had quit listening by the time W became President -- too many other things going on. Plus, Limbaugh's satire had gotten stale at best. So I can't really comment on what I didn't hear. I tuned in a little the last 5 years, was disappointed  Rush had sold out completely to Trump, even saying at one point. that nationalism trumped conservatism. (In the past, he backed Republicans and NAFTA against Perot).  Also said Biden's victory was arranged.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #917 on: February 27, 2021, 02:10:05 PM »
I can't really comment on what I didn't hear.
Fixed.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #918 on: February 27, 2021, 02:31:35 PM »
GOP Rep. Appears at White Nationalist Event Where Organizer Calls Capitol Riot ‘Awesome’

Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) appeared at a white nationalist convention Friday night, marking new GOP support for the racist movement, the Daily Beast reports.

Gosar was joined at the event by former Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who lost his congressional committee seats after defending white nationalism.

The organizer of the event praised the January 6 Capitol riot as “awesome,” describing it as “light-hearted mischief.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-paul-gosar-appears-at-white-nationalist-afpac-where-organizer-nick-fuentes-calls-capitol-riot-awesome?ref=home

Since it was all "light-hearted mischief", these seditious losers should all be drenched with bear spray and beaten senseless with flagpoles because who doesn't like a good time.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #919 on: February 27, 2021, 04:05:46 PM »
Fixed.

How? I can't comment on the content of Limbaugh's show during the time I was not listening. That is what I wrote, and you copied and pasted. What did you fix? I can comment on the decade plus that I listened. Rush defended the intellectual, pro-nafta wing of conservatism, but managed to appeal to the Arche Bunkers too. I think it was the irreverent satire. Most of that humor -- the homeless, environmental, mental health, feminist, animal rights, etc. updates would be deemed offensive and frowned upon these days, but historical context matters. Comedians once got laughs cracking jokes about 'male nurses' and 'lady doctors'.

         
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #920 on: February 27, 2021, 05:22:23 PM »
Limbaugh, like  Reagan, captured the support of both, at least early on. I gather, the "deliberately insensitive to others’ problems" is a reaction to the 'irreverent satire'; most of which panned and parodied the sacred cows of the left? That was a lot of Rush's appeal. In the context of 1988, he was shockingly and outrageously funny. And nuanced at the same time. He loved the women's movement; especially when he was walking behind it. This in contrast with Morton Downey Jr., who was just mean and angry the "pablum puking liberals."
Yes, I thought Rush was funny in the 90’s, when I was younger and sheltered from the reality that women, minorities, LGBTQ, etc. face on a daily basis. Rush has always been an asshat. He seemed funnier to conservatives back then because his asshattery was more original. Which is exactly my point: once his brand of asshattery became normalized (due to his own efforts), he seemed stale.

It’s ok to look back at that time and realize (as I do) that you thought Rush was funny because you were also a bit of an asshat yourself back then. Not because Rush was somehow better back then.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #921 on: February 27, 2021, 10:10:15 PM »
What did you fix?
Kept the wheat. Cut the chaff.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #922 on: February 28, 2021, 11:00:35 AM »
Like I said. Archie Bunker was intended to be be the antagonist. For those of you from Himboldt, that means the bad guy. It turned it out, he was perceived as the protagonist -- the good guy.

By then, the bright lines lines between heros and villains were increasingly a thing of the past. Protagogonists were often antiheros. I suppose Archie could be an atypical example.

Anyway, "All in the Family" provided an unintended precedent for Rush's style of off color satire and humor almost 2 decades earlier.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #923 on: February 28, 2021, 11:16:50 AM »
Speaking of antiheros, Clint Eastwood deserves more blame than Larry Hagman. Also Charles Bronson. And this:

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #924 on: February 28, 2021, 01:05:26 PM »
Like I said. Archie Bunker was intended to be be the antagonist. For those of you from Himboldt, that means the bad guy. It turned it out, he was perceived as the protagonist -- the good guy.

By then, the bright lines lines between heros and villains were increasingly a thing of the past. Protagogonists were often antiheros. I suppose Archie could be an atypical example.

Anyway, "All in the Family" provided an unintended precedent for Rush's style of off color satire and humor almost 2 decades earlier.

Archie Bunker was a character on a TV show.  His outlook was “the sum total of living a certain way, in a certain environment and mindset.”  When he said stupid things, it made us laugh.  And most importantly, Norman Lear gave him a dose of humanity.   

Rush didn’t have that.  He wasn’t funny or entertaining.  As a columnist for the Boston Globe pointed out, Rush was a “bigoted provocateur who provided a safe place for mediocre white men to find scapegoats for their failings.”

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #925 on: February 28, 2021, 01:43:53 PM »
Archie Bunker was a legendary iteration of a stock character dating back to antiquity. That had fuck-all to do with Rush Limbaugh, who was a shock jock who replaced tits and fart jokes with the libs taking all your money to let crack addicts teach public school.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #926 on: February 28, 2021, 03:41:11 PM »
Rush didn’t have that.  He wasn’t funny or entertaining.

20 million ditto heads would disagree.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #927 on: February 28, 2021, 03:58:15 PM »
Fascinating how posters  here know more about "All in the Family" than Norman Lear.

 "Lear is a political activist, part of the so-called Malibu Mafia who funded liberal and progressive causes and politicians. Lear was a silent partner of The Nation magazine and founded the advocacy organization People for the American Way in 1980 to counter the Christian right in politics." -- wikipedia

He intended Archie Bunker to be a hated villain. Regardless of how posters here feel, most viewers related to Archie and saw him as the protagonist.  They laughed with Archie laughing at liberals and their pet causes. 

Did guys like Morton Downey Jr. and Rush Limbaugh like create the culture, or were they a product of it?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #928 on: February 28, 2021, 04:12:26 PM »
Archie Bunker was a legendary iteration of a stock character dating back to antiquity.

There were socially conservative bigots in ancient literature? 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #929 on: February 28, 2021, 04:30:02 PM »
There were socially conservative bigots in ancient literature?
The God of Abraham was pretty reactionary.