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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4140 on: November 16, 2023, 07:44:52 AM »
I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya, at Nichi's sudden change of thought to now stopping the invasion and securing the border.

Lol

I was actually thinking more in terms of interpreting the 2nd amendment. The original context is missing.

Most recent data I have seen indicates most illegals arrive legally and overstay visas. 
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4141 on: November 16, 2023, 07:52:10 AM »
I was actually thinking more in terms of interpreting the 2nd amendment. The original context is missing.

Most recent data I have seen indicates most illegals arrive legally and overstay visas. 
My bad. I thought you were suggesting we also go out and buy guns to protect ourselves from the terrorists coming across the border that the current administration won't protect us from.

So ? Most people don't loot stores and hijack cars. Some do. Some people cross thru border crossings and some don't.

How many illegals arriving legally don't show up for their day in court ?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4142 on: November 16, 2023, 08:17:37 AM »

How many illegals arriving legally don't show up for their day in court ?

I have no idea. How would border security affect that?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4143 on: November 16, 2023, 08:18:22 AM »
BUT WHO IS GONNA PICK THE CABBAGES AND BUS THE TABLES
THIS IS A HUMANITARIAN EFFORT, NOT A LABOR EFFORT.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4144 on: November 16, 2023, 08:22:42 AM »
I have no idea. How would border security affect that?
Lemme guess. If they waltz across the border and we don't know who they are or  where go, don't let them in in the first place ?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4145 on: November 16, 2023, 08:30:18 AM »
THIS IS A HUMANITARIAN EFFORT, NOT A LABOR EFFORT.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4146 on: November 16, 2023, 08:35:12 AM »
My bad. I thought you were suggesting we also go out and buy guns to protect ourselves from the terrorists coming across the border that the current administration won't protect us from.


The SCOTUS says we have to look at original intent. At the time the 2nd Amendment was written, the United States had open borders. So that would not apply.

There was no standing army to execute laws, suppress insurrections, or repel invasions. They relied on well trained Militias. That was the original intent of the 2nd Amendment. Not to enable insurrections and vigilantism.

You want to hear a load of crap? My ancestors came here to learn English and assimilate.

Mine were Huguenots, Frisians, and Rhinelanders. They came here looking for land where they could preserve their culture. Some of their descendants still live in ethnic communities where French, Dutch, or German is spoken.


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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4147 on: November 16, 2023, 08:38:16 AM »
Lemme guess. If they waltz across the border and we don't know who they are or  where go, don't let them in in the first place ?

We were talking about those who arrived legally, but overstayed Visas.
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« Reply #4148 on: November 16, 2023, 08:48:55 AM »
We were talking about those who arrived legally, but overstayed Visas.
And it's my understanding that those who cross thru border crossings and are processed at the border are considered to have crossed "legally".
How many of those show up for their day in court 2-3 years later ?
How do you assign a court date to those who cross between border crossings and don't go thru the processing at the border ?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4149 on: November 16, 2023, 08:57:58 AM »
I was actually thinking more in terms of interpreting the 2nd amendment. The original context is missing.

Most recent data I have seen indicates most illegals arrive legally and overstay visas.

Well of course… How would you have data though on illegals who don’t come here legally or people who illegally have a gun?! 🥴 you can’t be this dumb…
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4150 on: November 16, 2023, 09:00:15 AM »
And it's my understanding that those who cross thru border crossings and are processed at the border are considered to have crossed "legally".
How many of those show up for their day in court 2-3 years later ?
How do you assign a court date to those who cross between border crossings and don't go thru the processing at the border ?

How would increasing border security affect that?

Obviously, if they overstay a work, student, or tourist visa; they are not following up. This is a large percentage of illegals, but a small percentage of visa holders.
 
Increasing border security has no affect on them, because they have Visas when they enter.

Trump and Miller want to suspend Visas from certain designated shit hole countries.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4151 on: November 16, 2023, 09:02:01 AM »
Well of course… How would you have data though on illegals who don’t come here legally or people who illegally have a gun?! 🥴 you can’t be this dumb…

There is actually data on both. Try googling.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4152 on: November 16, 2023, 09:32:17 AM »
Well of course… How would you have data though on illegals who don’t come here legally or people who illegally have a gun?!  you can’t be this dumb…

This is what I looked at. Oops.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings

That is old data. It has now shifted. In 2022, 850,000 Visa overstays. Estimated over 2 million this year and last year. My mistake. Ouch.

I have not looked up illegal gun ownership. Just saying the original intent had to do with calling up the Militia. Not to enable insurrection and vigilantes.

« Last Edit: November 16, 2023, 11:49:47 AM by illiniray »
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4153 on: November 16, 2023, 09:44:18 AM »
The NYT has a good, in depth article on the subject. Most illegals that cross the border illegally are coming from Mexico, Guatemala, and Venezuela.

My gut / emotional response says send the army. That might not be a good idea.

From the article:

“We have yet to see any restrictive border policy work in terms of actually keeping the numbers down at the border,” Ms. Gilman said. “It just doesn’t work that way because people are fleeing extremely dangerous situations.”

Why Illegal Border Crossings Are at Sustained Highs https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/29/us/illegal-border-crossings-data.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #4154 on: November 16, 2023, 10:06:05 AM »
Oh if we wanted to keep them out, we’d keep them out. We can’t build a wall because it’s xenophobic, we can’t use troops because it’s a humanitarian crisis, we can’t use any kind of force because online SJWs will lose their minds. It’s really just the same thing Europe experienced during the refugee crisis a few years back.

Hordes of primarily military aged men surging across the border with a wink and a nod to earn some moral high ground points in world diplomacy and eliminate the white majority here once and for all.

It hasn’t gone that great in Europe, but those were mostly angry Muslims who hate Western values, so what did they expect? I’m sure we’ll continue to have issues with all the illegals flooding our borders, but hopefully they’ll be too busy picking cabbage and bussing tables to bother anyone.
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