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wtf is wrong with the right?

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6990 on: June 04, 2025, 12:13:30 PM »
Main difference being my land (that I don't own) was stolen 220 years ago (from people who are long dead). That 20 year old in the West Bank may be living on land that was stolen last week.

Possible. Or it could have been won 50 years ago when all the Arabs attacked and lost it.

Apparently the length of time is dispositive for you.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6991 on: June 04, 2025, 12:14:45 PM »
Main difference being my land (that I don't own) was stolen 220 years ago (from people who are long dead). That 20 year old in the West Bank may be living on land that was stolen last week.

Never too late to right a wrong, Tempo. Illinois is giving back some park taken from long gone First Peoples.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6992 on: June 07, 2025, 09:42:43 AM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6993 on: June 07, 2025, 03:11:00 PM »
Poster Boy for White Male Indifference

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« Reply #6994 on: June 07, 2025, 07:27:09 PM »
Never too late to right a wrong, Tempo. Illinois is giving back some park taken from long gone First Peoples.

wtf happened to the mound builders?
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6996 on: June 10, 2025, 06:26:09 AM »
Election deniers !!!

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6998 on: June 10, 2025, 11:54:04 PM »
Nichi claimed that things like abortion, gay marriage - follow the general will of the people, and that the general position on gay marriage has shifted so it’s accepted

I said the general population doesn’t matter - it’s only the 9 votes on the Supreme Court and the Trumpists finagled a 6-3 majority and the country could be the exact opposite from their opinion and it doesn’t matter.

The baptists agree with me and sense their opening. Expect some court case that runs like Dobbs

Southern Baptists overwhelmingly call for a ban on gay marriage

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #6999 on: June 11, 2025, 12:33:08 AM »
Nichi claimed that things like abortion, gay marriage - follow the general will of the people, and that the general position on gay marriage has shifted so it’s accepted

I said the general population doesn’t matter - it’s only the 9 votes on the Supreme Court and the Trumpists finagled a 6-3 majority and the country could be the exact opposite from their opinion and it doesn’t matter.

The baptists agree with me and sense their opening. Expect some court case that runs like Dobbs

Southern Baptists overwhelmingly call for a ban on gay marriage

Close. I said things like lady doctors, male nurses, interracial marriages, and same gender marriages weren't happening unless the culture changed.

I never said the political battles and court battles weren't important. You imply the cultural change doesn't matter. I say it takes both, but changing the culture is primary.

Gay marriage and domestic partnerships were already widely accepted when Newt passed DOMA. Marriage equality has only become more acceptable since then.

I would guess they might try to send it back to the states like with abortion, but I think that might run into privileges and immunities issues.
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« Reply #7000 on: June 11, 2025, 01:10:01 PM »
Close. I said things like lady doctors, male nurses, interracial marriages, and same gender marriages weren't happening unless the culture changed.

I never said the political battles and court battles weren't important. You imply the cultural change doesn't matter. I say it takes both, but changing the culture is primary.

Gay marriage and domestic partnerships were already widely accepted when Newt passed DOMA. Marriage equality has only become more acceptable since then.

I would guess they might try to send it back to the states like with abortion, but I think that might run into privileges and immunities issues.

DOMA was passed in 1996. It was in response to legalization of same sex marriage in Hawaii - which came about not because of "cultural change" but because of a court decision. Newsom married same sex couples in 2004, in 2008 California voted on Same sex marriage and it LOST - in California, in a presidential cycle with Obama on the ballot. We don't have the same definition of widely accepted if you think it was widely accepted in 1996.

Since Obergfell (2015) - gay marriages have been legal everywhere in the US. I assert that this legality drove the cultural acceptance, not the other way around. The baptists know this - if they can make it illegal, that changes the status quo and they hope to drive the culture backwards.

Abortion rights are more widely accepted today than they were when Roe occured, yet Dobbs happened. In other words, the law was primary above the cultural acceptance.

Abortion and same sex marriage are different logistically. A lot of people don't give a shit about Dobbs in practice because well, if they need an abortion they can just go somewhere that it's legal, and it's done. If same sex marriage is kicked to the states, you could go get married somewhere that it's legal, but that doesn't help you when you go back home to where it's illegal, you still can't go visit your partner in the hospital and will have trouble with estate when they die. And it impacts a smaller percentage of the population. We'll see.

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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7001 on: June 12, 2025, 01:09:07 AM »
In 2004, about 47% of Californians that voted supported gay marriage. That is widespread.

I bet a solid majority nationally in 1996 supported domestic partnerships.
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Re: wtf is wrong with the right?
« Reply #7002 on: June 12, 2025, 01:17:48 AM »
In 2004, about 47% of Californians that voted supported gay marriage. That is widespread.

I bet a solid majority nationally in 1996 supported domestic partnerships.

The only quibble - that was 2008 not 2004

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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