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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3270 on: August 05, 2023, 04:18:08 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 05, 2023, 03:21:34 PM
As is often the case, Custard has a peculiar interpretation of events.

Yes, the Bears were basically bad on purpose last year. So of course, just about anything could be “headed in the right direction.” But I don’t think the point of the article is that the Bears are gonna be better because “how could they not be?” Improvement is the lowest of bars.

I think by “headed in the right direction” means they are improving their roster (again, how could they not?), and look to have a plan in place to be competitive sooner rather than later.

Of course they are “headed in the right direction (if that’s being interpreted as “better than last year”). It would be hard to be as bad or worse.

Lastly, I don’t think PAMan was “joking.” There’s nothing to lead one to that conclusion.

I interpret “headed in the right direction” as more than just “not as bad as last year.”

The problem with your analysis is that the Bear did not start the season tanking. Once they saw how bad the team was, including you-know-who, they went into tank mode and shed guys in week, what, 3 or 4?
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3271 on: August 05, 2023, 09:58:36 PM »
Liked the Ngakoue signing. They need pass rushers in the worst way.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3272 on: August 05, 2023, 10:02:03 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 05, 2023, 04:18:08 PM
The problem with your analysis is that the Bear did not start the season tanking. Once they saw how bad the team was, including you-know-who, they went into tank mode and shed guys in week, what, 3 or 4?

For the 40th time, winning was never the highest priority. Getting their finances in order was. That’s why they traded Mack before the season and almost certainly led the league in starters on one year deals last year. No team with so many one year contracts is emphasizing “winning.” Sure, they weren’t explicitly “trying to lose,” but the priority was stripping the roster of older and more expensive talent. Players they didn’t feel were worth a high investment or didn’t figure to be important pieces 2-3 years down the road.

They were still technically in the playoff hunt and just came off of their dismantling of NE in prime time then immediately traded their two most accomplished players. That doesn’t seem like a team that’s prioritizing “winning” to me.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3273 on: August 05, 2023, 10:09:27 PM »
They were 3-4 and coming off an impressive road win when they traded away Quinn. No team that’s prioritizing winning makes this move.

"On the business side, it just made too much sense for what we're trying to do," general manager Ryan Poles told reporters. "It's going to allow us to continue to build a highly competitive roster.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3274 on: August 05, 2023, 10:20:53 PM »
Did they “set out” to go 3-14? No. But the priority was always rebuilding for the future. And that meant dealing with wherever the cards fell. They were hoping to strip it bare, maybe hit on a couple one year deal guys (much as the Cubs did with Bellinger). Again, that’s why they dealt Mack way before the season started. The priority was getting the cap in line, acquiring draft capital, and building for the future. After that, it was “do the best you can with what you’ve got left.”
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3275 on: August 05, 2023, 10:43:22 PM »
Are you saying that if they were 6-1 or 5-2, they would still have been selling off?

What about 4-3?
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3276 on: August 06, 2023, 05:03:19 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 05, 2023, 10:43:22 PM
Are you saying that if they were 6-1 or 5-2, they would still have been selling off?

What about 4-3?

It’s funny that you ask that question because I was about to make that exact point. No, of course not, if they had been 6-1 or 5-2  it would’ve been preposterous not to chase the playoffs. But since they were 3-4 or 3-5 chasing the playoffs wouldn’t have been prudent, but it was feasible. If it wasn’t a brand new regime, they probably would have chased the playoffs. Pace would have for sure.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3277 on: August 06, 2023, 06:58:31 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 06, 2023, 05:03:19 AM
It’s funny that you ask that question because I was about to make that exact point. No, of course not, if they had been 6-1 or 5-2  it would’ve been preposterous not to chase the playoffs. But since they were 3-4 or 3-5 chasing the playoffs wouldn’t have been prudent, but it was feasible. If it wasn’t a brand new regime, they probably would have chased the playoffs. Pace would have for sure.

Which means they only sold off after they saw the team sucked. As we all saw, the offense really struggled (being generous here) until they shifted the offensive game plan.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3278 on: August 06, 2023, 07:21:32 AM »
The Bear only tanked after seeing that the offense was as bad as the US Women Third World Cup team"s.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3279 on: August 06, 2023, 09:12:51 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 06, 2023, 07:21:32 AM
The Bear only tanked after seeing that the offense was as bad as the US Women Third World Cup team"s.

Believe that dipshit narrative if you want to. They scored 33 points on the road the week before they traded Robert Quinn. And then 29 points against an excellent Dallas defense the week before trading Roquan.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3280 on: August 06, 2023, 09:14:40 AM »
Unless the Bears had a winning record and legitimate playoff chances, they were likely always trading Quinn and Roquan.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3281 on: August 06, 2023, 10:06:24 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on August 06, 2023, 09:12:51 AM
Believe that dipshit narrative if you want to. They scored 33 points on the road the week before they traded Robert Quinn. And then 29 points against an excellent Dallas defense the week before trading Roquan.

At least you have finally admitted they were not tanking from the start. Took you 7 months to finally admit that.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3282 on: August 06, 2023, 10:24:08 AM »
By trading Mack and gutting the salary with one year deals, they were obviously going into the season “prepared to live with the results.” I don’t think the Bears were ever outright “tanking,” but they didn’t field a good team basically by design if you can wrap your head around that. The primary goals going into the season were getting the financials in order and getting younger. Then it was “do the best you can with what you’ve got.”
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3283 on: August 06, 2023, 10:27:56 AM »
“Tanking” is a bit strong, but Poles ran the team like he was Jerry Reinsdorf. A poorer even less willing to spend money Jerry Reinsdorf.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #3284 on: August 06, 2023, 11:50:57 AM »
They were dumping Mack because he only had a part of a decent year and was overpaid, to the chagrin of  chumps like MiniDitka who slobbered all over him.
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