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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #2400 on: January 06, 2023, 10:47:11 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 06, 2023, 10:18:15 AM
And by all accounts, Fields is exhibiting excellent leadership, work ethic, and tough as nails. I don’t understand why some Bears fans seem to be rooting against him.

I don’t think anybody is rooting AGAINST him, they’ve just not seen enough passing skill to root FOR him. If that makes sense.

I agree this thread and everything related to Fields has gotten way out of hand by the fan base. I think almost any QB should get until the end of their rookie deal to see whether or not he’s your future. At least 3 of the 4 years. If at the end of next year he hasn’t made the progress, move on. UNLESS you have an elite QB you’re able to acquire that is.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #2401 on: January 06, 2023, 10:48:47 AM »
Earlier I said “every quarterback’s numbers suffer under poor pass protection.” There is one exception to that. I think it was Aaron Rodger’s 1st or 2nd season as starter. They couldn’t protect him at all, and he still balled out. I still think of that as the best season long performance (especially under the circumstances) I’ve ever seen a quarterback have.
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« Reply #2402 on: January 06, 2023, 10:50:42 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 06, 2023, 10:47:11 AM
I don’t think anybody is rooting AGAINST him, they’ve just not seen enough passing skill to root FOR him. If that makes sense.

I agree this thread and everything related to Fields has gotten way out of hand by the fan base. I think almost any QB should get until the end of their rookie deal to see whether or not he’s your future. At least 3 of the 4 years. If at the end of next year he hasn’t made the progress, move on. UNLESS you have an elite QB you’re able to acquire that is.

They sure talk like it. I can’t remember a single occasion where PAMan (or probably Mn) have actually praised him for something other than “being a good wing back.” There’s A LOT to love about this kid. I see some of this animosity on Twitter as well.
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« Reply #2403 on: January 06, 2023, 10:55:08 AM »
Fields getting very high praise from his coaches. Especially the QB coach. Wonder if Robert Saleh is saying these things about Zack Wilson…

https://www.shawlocal.com/bears/2023/01/05/he-wants-this-to-be-his-city-whats-next-for-chicago-bears-qb-justin-fields/
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #2404 on: January 06, 2023, 10:57:51 AM »
Fields is a good wing back though. So was Bobby Douglass.

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« Reply #2405 on: January 06, 2023, 11:24:32 AM »
Not positive, but I think MAYBE Mn once called him “tough.”
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« Reply #2406 on: January 06, 2023, 12:21:48 PM »
Tough as shit, I believe. And I've acknowledged his running ability. And I don't remember ever questioning his work ethic.
He hasn't shown to be an accurate passer and I've never subscribed to the qb assessment theory of 'well if he can just complete a long ball once in a while'.
I would much prefer consistency over a nice pass once in a while. There's nothing wrong with that school of thought.
Instead the argument since Sept has been that Fields is a star in the making, a budding super star. He may very well be some day. I hope he is and the Bears are winning games.
Instead I hear that he could look better but he doesn't call the plays, he could look better but he doesn't have any wrs, he could look better but the OL is atrocious.
I haven't heard much positive about the Poles picks since his arrival, other than the dbs. But boy, he'll nail this next draft and the Bears will compete for the NFC.

I'm sorry if I don't get excited about Fields, but he's got a ways to go yet. Will he and when will he get there ? Who knows.
The Bears set a franchise record for consecutive losses and they may very well see loss #10 on Sunday. But I'm not going to root for them to lose in hopes they can have a shot at the #1 pick.
And Tempo, I believe I've been watching the Bears longer than you've been alive.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #2407 on: January 06, 2023, 12:27:58 PM »
Quote from: Mn on January 06, 2023, 12:21:48 PM
Tough as shit, I believe. And I've acknowledged his running ability. And I don't remember ever questioning his work ethic.
He hasn't shown to be an accurate passer and I've never subscribed to the qb assessment theory of 'well if he can just complete a long ball once in a while'.
I would much prefer consistency over a nice pass once in a while. There's nothing wrong with that school of thought.
Instead the argument since Sept has been that Fields is a star in the making, a budding super star. He may very well be some day. I hope he is and the Bears are winning games.
Instead I hear that he could look better but he doesn't call the plays, he could look better but he doesn't have any wrs, he could look better but the OL is atrocious.
I haven't heard much positive about the Poles picks since his arrival, other than the dbs. But boy, he'll nail this next draft and the Bears will compete for the NFC.

I'm sorry if I don't get excited about Fields, but he's got a ways to go yet. Will he and when will he get there ? Who knows.
The Bears set a franchise record for consecutive losses and they may very well see loss #10 on Sunday. But I'm not going to root for them to lose in hopes they can have a shot at the #1 pick.
And Tempo, I believe I've been watching the Bears longer than you've been alive.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #2408 on: January 06, 2023, 12:28:54 PM »
A lot to unpack there. Poles looks to have nailed two good (one maybe really really good) DBs without a 1st round pick. He got a LT in the 5th round who hasn’t been the biggest problem on the offensive line. Not sure he’s a good LT but I’m convinced he can be a guy worth keeping and maybe he better on the right side. He got a possible future pro bowl punter.

Considering he had almost no draft assets, that’s a decent draft. You’re usually doing well if you get 2-3 good players in a draft. And again, he had no 1sts. Velus Jones looks awful. Hated the pick on draft day.

Also Jack Sanborn performed admirably as a FA rookie.
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« Reply #2409 on: January 06, 2023, 12:34:30 PM »
As fas as accuracy, it was clearly better (most often) after the first month or so. A lot of analysts (of which I posted and PAMan rejected) said they saw growth in his game.

He doesn’t call the plays, so it’s unfair to only point at him as the reason they don’t throw the ball. I’m really baffled by the fact they don’t call more slants, crossing routes etc. I would love to have two minutes of Getsy’s time to have him explain why.

It’s perfectly factual the talent around him is well below par. Everyone but PAMan seems to concede that. He says it every blue moon but then says “but Fields has to overcome that because he’s the most important position on the field” qualifiers.
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« Reply #2410 on: January 06, 2023, 12:36:57 PM »
If Poles had hit that 3rd pick, it would have been a terrific draft.
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« Reply #2411 on: January 06, 2023, 12:39:36 PM »
Also slightly hopeful Doug Kramer (who missed the whole season with injury) can possibly be a usable Center. Dominque Robinson has flashed potential, but I’m not banking on him to be great.
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« Reply #2412 on: January 06, 2023, 12:48:31 PM »
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« Reply #2413 on: January 06, 2023, 12:56:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 06, 2023, 12:34:30 PM

I’m really baffled by the fact they don’t call more slants, crossing routes etc. I would love to have two minutes of Getsy’s time to have him explain why.

Because Fields isn't accurate. Those passes get picked off too easily.
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« Reply #2414 on: January 06, 2023, 12:58:48 PM »
Quote from: Mn on January 06, 2023, 12:56:04 PM
Because Fields isn't accurate. Those passes get picked off too easily.

No. You’re guessing here.
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