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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Yeah, they totally shot that guy for no reason… *insert eye roll here*

fuck you

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Because FOX News told me so…

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Oh no, the party of gunless blue haired lesbians and low T men are coming for us, Mn! They’ve got no president, no congress, no Supreme Court, and the military doesn’t like them, either.

Best one I’ve heard in a while, Murph.

Literally can’t stop laughing.

Pretty sure custard won’t like the midterms. Assuming Trump allows midterms.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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A lot of the military brass think Trump is a joke.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Yeah, they totally shot that guy for no reason… *insert eye roll here*

What was their reason for shooting killing him? Annoying ICE by his presence doesn’t count.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Now the left supports the 2nd amendment and gun rights!! LOL

It's more like the right wing forgot all about the 2nd amendment. There used to be something about the right to defend ourselves against our own government.
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Yeah, they totally shot that guy for no reason… *insert eye roll here*

What was the reason? Because they could?
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The irony of saying "oh they are just a bunch of gunless blue haired lesbians" the day ICE shoots a white guy legally carrying a weapon..

Think about what you've created here now. You talk up your 2nd Amendment, but ICE just went out there and shot a guy for legally exercising the 2nd Amendment. You think your little pecker gun is gonna save you when they come after you? Think they won't? We don't even know who "they" are. It's just lawlessness.

You don’t expect custard to exhibit even a modicum of self-awareness do you?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Pretty sure custard won’t like the midterms. Assuming Trump allows midterms.

It might not even be about "allowing" midterms. If the whole place goes to shit, how can you even have midterms?

This is some serious Frank Underwood shit, or Stephen Miller is just fucking nuts and we elected Trump and he's so demented that Miller just got unleashed.

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Being reasonable means acting with sound judgment, fairness, and logic, rather than emotion or impulse,
Correct.
And in the statute, as an example, it refers to not trying to be a street social justice warrior.

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Trump's FBI has arrested 6 people on the FBI 10 most wanted fugitive list in 1 year.

The Biden administration arrested none in 2024.
The Biden administration arrested 4 in 4 years.

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Trump's FBI has arrested 6 people on the FBI 10 most wanted fugitive list in 1 year.

The Biden administration arrested none in 2024.
The Biden administration arrested 4 in 4 years.

There is no doubt that the Trump Administration's law enforcement policies have been effective at producing results.

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The primary, historical purpose of the due process of law was not to make law enforcement more efficient or effective, but rather to restrain government power and protect individual liberties.
While the "due process model" of criminal justice aims for accurate, fair results—which can lead to higher-quality investigations—it is often viewed as a counterweight to, or even a hindrance to, the speed and efficiency of the "crime control model".

Here is a breakdown of the relationship between due process and law enforcement:

1. Primary Purpose: Restraint and Fairness

*Preventing Overreach: Due process (enshrined in the 5th and 14th Amendments) is designed to protect citizens from arbitrary, abusive, or unjust actions by the government.

*Procedural Safeguards: It mandates that police and prosecutors follow specific rules—such as obtaining warrants based on probable cause—before depriving someone of life, liberty, or property.

*Ensuring Accuracy: It requires that criminal proceedings are fair and reliable, which helps ensure that the truth is found, rather than merely securing a quick conviction.

*Ensuring Accuracy: It requires that criminal proceedings are fair and reliable, which helps ensure that the truth is found, rather than merely securing a quick conviction.

2. Due Process vs. Efficiency (The Two Models)

*Criminologists often contrast two models of criminal justice, as defined by Herbert Packer:

*Due Process Model: Emphasizes individual rights, limiting government power, and minimizing errors in the system. This can be slower and "inefficient" because it requires meticulous adherence to procedures.

*Crime Control Model: Focuses on the swift arrest and punishment of offenders to repress crime. This model prioritizes efficiency, sometimes at the expense of procedural rights (e.g., plea bargaining).

3. How Due Process Affects Law Enforcement

*Constraints on Action: Due process rules (like the 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure) specifically make certain rapid police actions illegal, intentionally slowing down the process to protect rights.

*Better, Not Faster, Investigations: While not designed for efficiency, some argue that requiring "due process" ensures law enforcement conducts more thorough investigations, leading to better, more reliable evidence in the long run.

*Exclusionary Rule: Evidence obtained in violation of due process can be thrown out, which is viewed as a significant hindrance to quick, "efficient" convictions.

In summary, the due process clause was intended to ensure that government action is lawful and just, not necessarily fast or efficient.
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Correct.
And in the statute, as an example, it refers to not trying to be a street social justice warrior.

Huh? It was about law Enforcement acting on reasonable beliefs.
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Too bad Trump’s law enforcement officials can’t catch the criminals in the White House.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.