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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6315 on: September 30, 2025, 10:37:45 PM »
Processed extruded chicken hot dogs are not equal to fresh cuts of red meat. Whenever I’m behind the cart where someone is buying $250 worth of groceries with EBT it’s always the Little Debbies and Orange Crush.

Beef is expensive

Fucking Trump. Making us fat.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6316 on: September 30, 2025, 10:40:08 PM »
As for chemicals and other bad shit in our food supply - I got some real bad news for you about those jumbo shrimp.

I’d swear off seafood before eating farm raised shrimp from Aldi. But they’re going to make really good bait for the fishing derby my kids are in this weekend. Leave them in a tote in the back porch for a couple of days beforehand and 👌
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6317 on: September 30, 2025, 10:40:32 PM »
I’d rather get my calories from delicious red meat, like a real man. The 2% is for the kids.

You feed your kids 2%. My kid, who runs XC and is thin as a rail, drinks whole milk. Fats are good for brain development. His 1570 last weekend is the proof in the pudding (made with whole milk)

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6318 on: September 30, 2025, 10:41:12 PM »
I’d swear off seafood before eating farm raised shrimp from Aldi. But they’re going to make really good bait for the fishing derby my kids are in this weekend. Leave them in a tote in the back porch for a couple of days beforehand and 👌

I'll allow it.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6319 on: September 30, 2025, 10:48:23 PM »
It's more complicated than that.  Factors that have contributed to higher beef prices include:
-Tariffs on Australian, New Zealand and Brazilian beef exports.  The U.S. imports beef from a long list of countries.
-Higher input costs due to inflation, making it more expensive to care for livestock.
- Drought conditions affecting pasture land, forcing producers to spend more money on feed.
-High interest rates, which means producers are paying more for operating loans.

It's now more expensive to maintain a livestock operation, let alone start or expand one.  Tariffs have also complicated the supply chain problem. Together these conditions make it harder to increase the beef inventory and bring prices down.

Copy and paste AI answer? Google is fucking trash when it comes to ag. No one should trust the shit it pumps out from scraping a bunch of websites written by people who don’t know shit.

Almost none of the fresh beef we see at our grocery stores comes from overseas. It’s almost always in processed foods, cured, canned, etc. the prices of fresh beef are the concern here.

Feed for cattle is the cheapest it’s been in years so the input cost thing is nonsense. Almost nothing a rancher or a feedlot uses comes from outside the US. Maybe some random parts for equipment or something.

Cattle producers are generally “price takers” not “price makers” They don’t magically get to pass along their higher interest rates any more than row crop farmers do. Just complete and utter nonsense. Maybe some small scale niche operations who sell direct to consumer can price their interest costs into their product, but that’s a tiny fraction of the market.

Drought can play a role, sure, but there’s an abundance of cheap feed right now. Like soybeans. So the cattle inventory is low because we don’t have enough feed, but we can’t give soybeans and corn away right now!?!? Can’t have it both ways!

The main reason the cattle inventory is al low is that prices have been high and that encourages producers to sell their heifer calves to feeders rather than build their herds. High feed prices and some droughts have played into it, but I’d wager that the war on animal agriculture has more to do with it.

Try again.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6320 on: September 30, 2025, 11:07:06 PM »
You feed your kids 2%. My kid, who runs XC and is thin as a rail, drinks whole milk. Fats are good for brain development. His 1570 last weekend is the proof in the pudding (made with whole milk)

They drank whole milk when they were younger, they’re not XC athletes at this point so don’t need all the extra calories. I strongly believe in healthy fats, we try to make sure they get plenty of high DHA omega 3s.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6321 on: September 30, 2025, 11:11:36 PM »
They drank whole milk when they were younger, they’re not XC athletes at this point so don’t need all the extra calories. I strongly believe in healthy fats, we try to make sure they get plenty of high DHA omega 3s.

if you're pouring that 2% over cereal... you're taking out fat calories from the milk and adding them back as simple carbs, which spike blood sugar, etc..

to each their own, but that's my take, which is worth what you paid for it. You're probably ahead of 95% of the rest of the lot.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6322 on: September 30, 2025, 11:29:26 PM »
Copy and paste AI answer? Google is fucking trash when it comes to ag. No one should trust the shit it pumps out from scraping a bunch of websites written by people who don’t know shit.

Almost none of the fresh beef we see at our grocery stores comes from overseas. It’s almost always in processed foods, cured, canned, etc. the prices of fresh beef are the concern here.

Feed for cattle is the cheapest it’s been in years so the input cost thing is nonsense. Almost nothing a rancher or a feedlot uses comes from outside the US. Maybe some random parts for equipment or something.

Cattle producers are generally “price takers” not “price makers” They don’t magically get to pass along their higher interest rates any more than row crop farmers do. Just complete and utter nonsense. Maybe some small scale niche operations who sell direct to consumer can price their interest costs into their product, but that’s a tiny fraction of the market.

Drought can play a role, sure, but there’s an abundance of cheap feed right now. Like soybeans. So the cattle inventory is low because we don’t have enough feed, but we can’t give soybeans and corn away right now!?!? Can’t have it both ways!

The main reason the cattle inventory is al low is that prices have been high and that encourages producers to sell their heifer calves to feeders rather than build their herds. High feed prices and some droughts have played into it, but I’d wager that the war on animal agriculture has more to do with it.

Try again.

When forage is insufficient and costs are high, ranchers are forced to sell off their cattle to reduce the size of the herds.  The process of rebuilding those cattle herds will be slow, especially in light of higher input costs.




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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6323 on: September 30, 2025, 11:43:56 PM »
if you're pouring that 2% over cereal... you're taking out fat calories from the milk and adding them back as simple carbs, which spike blood sugar, etc..

to each their own, but that's my take, which is worth what you paid for it. You're probably ahead of 95% of the rest of the lot.

Nah they just drink it or we cook with it, put it in tea, etc. Haven’t had any cereal in the house in ages other some occasional Honey Nut Cheerios. Greek yogurt with fresh fruit and a bit of local  honey is breakfast 5-6 or 7 days for them a week. I like a good lox bagel on Dave’s killer everything bagels or good old biscuits and gravy every now and again but normally have a very boring (but nutritionally sound!) smoothie whenever I get hungry during the day and then eat whatever sounds good at dinner.
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When forage is insufficient and costs are high, ranchers are forced to sell off their cattle to reduce the size of the herds.  The process of rebuilding those cattle herds will be slow, especially in light of higher input costs.

That’s what AI says, now here is a real answer:

When there is a severe drought and a rancher is forced to sell his prime breeding aged cows, they aren’t getting sold to a kill plant to make ground beef. If they were, then ground beef would be dirt cheap out of sheer abundance.

Instead, they are purchased by ranchers in other areas that do have grass and feed so they can grow their herds. Thus, they just get moved to another place and carry on reproducing there. Sure, some of the older ones might end up in your Chalupa or Baconator during one of these fire sales, but not an amount that really moves the needle.

If AI consulted an actual rancher when queried, it might know these things. Unfortunately it just scrapes articles from mainstream media journalists who don’t know bull shit from shinola.

The inventory is low because the price is high, and the price is high because the inventory is low. It’s a vicious circle. Reason being that rebuilding the cattle herd is a long process when you only get one calf per cow per year and it takes 18 months for the first calf that cow has to make it to market.

Building the herd requires ranchers to keep their heifer calves back and play a multi year long game versus taking the short term money. Do you sell the heifer calf to a feedlot now at a historic premium and put the money in your pocket, or do you put the heifer calf back in the herd to have a calf 18 months to 2 years from now and then sell that calf as a feeder 6-7 months later (or as a fat 18 months later?)

It’s hard not to see why the herd is shrinking rather than expanding.

Chicken and pork producers use mostly the same inputs, equipment, capital with high interest, etc, so why aren’t tariffs and all these other things making them more expensive? Because hog and chicken farmers can build herds exponentially faster than cattle. A sow has 8-10 pigs and can do so twice a year if needed. Chickens lay eggs almost every day.
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Everything I said is factual, you’ve just been brainwashed for decades that red meat is poison. There’s a reason it’s been highly valued for centuries. It’s loaded with nutrients and tastes great. It’s a weird paradox we live in where people in our society are so fat we are told to stay away from the most nutrient dense foods.

I’m fairly certain red meat being “one of the healthiest foods we can eat” is pretty far from “factual.”
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You didnt get a gallon of milk for 2 dollars. Stop lying.

You didnt get a dozen eggs for 2 dollars.

Come on.

In Tennessee? Maybe.
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I’m not sure it’s the eating tons of meat making everyone fat. Beef is expensive and most people who can even afford to eat a lot of it are usually in better shape than those with lower incomes. 40+ years ago people ate more red meat and were much less obese. 

It’s fried potato chips and Little Debbie cakes and Orange Crush and processed  garbage and all the inflammatory compounds and plastics and chemicals that are causing metabolic disorders and doing all the damage. Book it.

They tell us to eat more grains and veggies, but lots of them are soaked in glyphosate and other chemicals that disrupt the endocrine system. But some red meat is the bad guy lol. At least when you’re eating animal products they filter a lot of that shit out. There’s nothing healthy about our  non-organic fruit and vegetable food supply.

Always trust content from Custard. Bookmark this if you need to. I see Big Food has the wool pulled over Tempo and Murph’s eyes just like Big Pharma does.

I can at least get on board with a fair bit of this. If it comes out of a box or a bag, it’s probably not very healthy. And mostly likely very bad for you.
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You got me. Milk was $2.05 at Costco. Eggs were $1.99 at Aldi. Got 21 gallons of gas for $56.69, don’t know why the gallons aren’t on the auto generated Costco receipt. But anyways groceries have come down a lot here. I’m sure that’s not the case everywhere.




Shrimp for under $7? Is Tennessee still in the 90s?
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You got me. Milk was $2.05 at Costco. Eggs were $1.99 at Aldi. Got 21 gallons of gas for $56.69, don’t know why the gallons aren’t on the auto generated Costco receipt. But anyways groceries have come down a lot here. I’m sure that’s not the case everywhere.




And the poors are probably still bitching about paying 2 dollars a gallon for milk lol.

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