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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Wanting America to be better is not America-hating, it’s patriotism.

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The same pollsters nailed the 2024 election too. Especially Harris in Iowa where she lost by 13 points.


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The same pollsters nailed the 2024 election too. Especially Harris in Iowa where she lost by 13 points.

The 2024 results were within the margin of error from the polls.

If the GOP overperforms the margin of error by a mere 2x in the 2026 Midterms, you can say hello to speaker Hakeem Jefferies. They aren't behind by 2-3 points. They are down by ten. And Trump's fucked up policies are just going to make it worse.

There is going to be some very bad shit the next couple of months.

A lot of ships are still sitting in Chinese ports awaiting to see if goods need to be shipped. That means in a month we start seeing empty shelves of a lot of things. Even if they magically decide to turn off the tariffs, there's a gap in place.

Small businesses who can't afford to take delivery due to the current tariffs, but can't ship the goods back or get their money that's already been paid back. Now they have a hole in their balance sheet and no way to recoup it because they have no product to sell, and in many cases have liabilities to customers for whom they can't deliver product.

Mortgage interest rates continue to spike. Housing market getting beat up - especially in Florida where statewide prices are down 7% year on year with almost one year's worth of inventory on the market. In a state whose income is cratering as Europeans have abandoned Florida tourism.

And the fuckhead wore a blue suit to the Pope's funeral. What a picture - a sea of black suits and dresses and this one sad ass blue thumb sticking out. Then the cheap ass leaves the funeral early to "take Melania out for her birthday dinner since I didn't get her a present because I was so busy" (despite 5 rounds of golf in the past 2 weeks). So he takes her to dinner on AIR FORCE ONE - because he's too cheap to pay for dinner.

What an asshole.

Want more examples? These things aren't "just cyclical".
« Last Edit: April 28, 2025, 11:17:53 AM by murphstahoe »

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He's on the important issues though...

President Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive order later today mandating that truck drivers demonstrate proficiency in speaking English, according to a White House official.

“Elect the man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your taxes in half, increase your military power, for free, to the highest level in the World, have your Car, Steel, Aluminum, Lumber, Energy, and all other businesses, QUADRUPLE in size, WITH ZERO TARIFFS OR TAXES, if Canada becomes the cherished 51st State of the United States of America,” Trump posted on Truth Social.


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You can see that Trump (ever the slow learner) is shaken by the recent polls.  Screaming about the Fox poll?  Mumbling about Musk going back to Tesla?  Babbling that Putin may be playing him. 

He believes the polls, but he's less analytical than anyone here, and senile, and a narcissist.  That clown car staff he calls his administration has no Jim or Howard Baker who can kick ass behind the scenes and even try to get the ship back on course. 

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You can see that Trump (ever the slow learner) is shaken by the recent polls.  Screaming about the Fox poll?  Mumbling about Musk going back to Tesla?  Babbling that Putin may be playing him. 

He believes the polls, but he's less analytical than anyone here, and senile, and a narcissist.  That clown car staff he calls his administration has no Jim or Howard Baker who can kick ass behind the scenes and even try to get the ship back on course.

Trump is really starting to throw Sherman McCoy vibes

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The same pollsters nailed the 2024 election too. Especially Harris in Iowa where she lost by 13 points.

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Thought this was interesting. No clue on accuracy.

https://yaschamounk.substack.com/p/sarah-longwell-on-what-voters-really?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=2709399&post_id=162119258&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=play_card&r=1nfyj&triedRedirect=true


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Sarah Longwell is the publisher of The Bulwark, which she helped found in 2019. She regularly conducts focus groups with voters across the political spectrum and hosts the podcast “The Focus Group,” which is in its fifth season, and co-hosts “The Next Level” podcast and “The Secret Podcast.”

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Sarah Longwell discuss which voter segments support Donald Trump, what might change their minds, and which potential candidates could help the Democratic Party stage a comeback.

Guessing she is probably right on the various "buckets" of Trump voters that seem at odds with each other except for their disdain of Progressives.

Guessing she is probably right that no one is thinking "I should have voted for Harris instead."

Thinking none of these people are buying what Pritzker was selling in NH or Vermont or wherever he was preaching to the choir.
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It was absolutely disdain for progressives that tilted the election. Not just policy, but the insane cultural shit. Murph wants to believe it was about the price of eggs because accepting the truth that the election was a referendum on his entire belief structure is too painful.
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Guessing she is probably right on the various "buckets" of Trump voters that seem at odds with each other except for their disdain of Progressives.

Guessing she is probably right that no one is thinking "I should have voted for Harris instead."

Thinking none of these people are buying what Pritzker was selling in NH or Vermont or wherever he was preaching to the choir.

If there was ever a time for a 3rd party, it's now. As in - right now. Not 2 years from now and Mark Cuban or Michael Bloomberg or some other quasi-Independent says "I'm running for President". Right now. Finding a slate of 34 Senate Candidates and 435 Congressional Candidates, and as many statewide and even local races to jump into.

And it can't be some sort of shit-toast "I'm a moderate" bullshit. The GOP is basically nuts, because they have put their thumbs up into the air on so many single issues (abortion, guns, taxes, ZOMG NO MEXICANS) where many of their voters are all in on one of them, and then they get tribal, so they just blindly accept the other position of their other single issue voter categories, to the point where Trump could get up and say "We are banning Goat Cheese" and every Republican would be on board because that's what the coach said. And they get fervent about every issue, so you have the Scott Jennings and Mn's and Custards of the world justifying the most bizarro shit dear leader does because he's da coach.

Then the Democrats end up cobbling together by proxy anyone who is the opposite on abortion or guns or ZOMG NO MEXICANS, and they end up being tribal. But not as tribal, because those folks weren't recruited for those stances, they just fell into the Democratic party because they didn't like some position of the Republicans. But that doesn't hold a coalition, Harris et all spent a TON of energy on abortion but someone who wanted gun control didn't give a shit about abortion and so they think meh what are you doing for me?

A successful third party might be best to take NO position on abortion or guns as a party. There really isn't a moderate position on those issues. Stake out the important issues - the economy, a very clear position on how we invest in infrastructure, education, how we handle trade and why in order to get the best net economic result for the country writ large. A solid position on immigration - invest in stopping the random border crossings and then lower the attempts by making a very clean streamlined methodology of bringing in guests workers on visas that make the guest worker feel welcomed as long as they adhere to protocol, and making employers adhere to checking those visas, with strict penalties for each, given that we have made it simple and clean for workers to come here and employers to hire them. Put limitations in fields where jobs aren't begging for workers. Lessen limitations on highly skiled high value add employees (H1-B) and fast track them to green card and citizenship, making the clear argument that while we need field workers to support existing businesses, we need high skilled people to start new businesses and create more high value jobs here. Invest heavily in education and showcase how educated people create more jobs, by starting companies and just by flat out making more money and spending it on homes, travel etc.. that brings jobs to the workforce as a whole. And by making more money, they pay more taxes to repay the investment we made in them. Take a hard look at defense as a whole and have a stated goal to reduce the defense budget by optimizing and modernizing our forces. If Ukraine can hold off the Russians with a cobbled together force, we can blow people away with far less money than we fritter away right now.

Then throw up your hands and say we will appoint judges we think follow the constitution, not that will try to bend the constitution to match their preferred policy. On non bread and butter issues like abortion, LGBTQ, guns - we take no position and every member of our party is encouraged to state their positions and work on those issues in a multi-partisan fashion, in a country that is functional because we fixed the economy, immigration, and defense spending.

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It was absolutely disdain for blacks, women and gays that tilted the election.

Also, eggs. Trump is at 40% approval, even lower on his handling of the economy.

But a lot of people still say "I would still vote for Trump. Because blacks. And Women"

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Thought this was interesting. No clue on accuracy.

https://yaschamounk.substack.com/p/sarah-longwell-on-what-voters-really?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=2709399&post_id=162119258&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=play_card&r=1nfyj&triedRedirect=true


Guessing she is probably right on the various "buckets" of Trump voters that seem at odds with each other except for their disdain of Progressives.

Guessing she is probably right that no one is thinking "I should have voted for Harris instead."

Thinking none of these people are buying what Pritzker was selling in NH or Vermont or wherever he was preaching to the choir.

The polling data indicate that Trump is trending downward across a range of issues.  He’s clearly testing the patience of the “give it some time, fingers crossed, I don’t know” group.   

The polls indicate that more and more people think he’s going too far.  What they are finding out is that Trump and his minions don’t have coherent plans and instead lurch from one extreme to the other.  People are losing confidence in the economy and starting to worry about higher inflation and unemployment.  They will have little appetite for supply chain disruptions that could lead to shortages. 

I think we're going to have to wait until Memorial Day travel weekend to see how serious the average America it's taking all this.  If people are cutting back, vacations and travel are the first to go.
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The polling data indicate that Trump is trending downward across a range of issues.  He’s clearly testing the patience of the “give it some time, fingers crossed, I don’t know” group.   

The polls indicate that more and more people think he’s going too far.  What they are finding out is that Trump and his minions don’t have coherent plans and instead lurch from one extreme to the other.  People are losing confidence in the economy and starting to worry about higher inflation and unemployment.  They will have little appetite for supply chain disruptions that could lead to shortages. 

I think we're going to have to wait until Memorial Day travel weekend to see how serious the average America it's taking all this.  If people are cutting back, vacations and travel are the first to go.

The problem is no one is saying "I wish I would have voted for Harris." The Dems are just as out of favor as a) there is the performative crowd who wants them to fight for pronouns and illegal immigrants and ) there is the crowd who hate the crowd
who wants to fight for pronouns and illegal immigrants instead of working Americans.
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The problem is no one is saying "I wish I would have voted for Harris." The Dems are just as out of favor as a) there is the performative crowd who wants them to fight for pronouns and illegal immigrants and ) there is the crowd who hate the crowd
who wants to fight for pronouns and illegal immigrants instead of working Americans.

It's been a masterclass in messaging by the GOP to get their crowd more worried about the crowd that wants to fight for the prounouns than their own wallets, and getting the crowd that wants the pronouns to be more vocal about the pronouns than their wallets.

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It's been a masterclass in messaging by the GOP to get their crowd more worried about the crowd that wants to fight for the prounouns than their own wallets, and getting the crowd that wants the pronouns to be more vocal about the pronouns than their wallets.

Except that if you read that interview, there is a group who voted for him because he said he would lower prices. Those are the people who are primed to be picked off. But you have to talk about economic issues and not pronouns, surgeries for 15 year old trans kids, Venezuelans here illegally being dragged off the street along with their legally here kids, supporting terrorists whose phones blow up, etc. That is what a moron like Pritzker doesn't get.
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