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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4440 on: April 15, 2025, 10:22:18 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 15, 2025, 09:59:01 AM
They ruled that they should facilitate his return and then proceed to deport him as if they had not made the administrative error.
Nope.
1 more time, from SCOTUS ...
"The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate”
Abrego Garcia’s release from custody ...."

Bukele won't release him which negates the possibility of the US transferring him to a country upon release.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4441 on: April 15, 2025, 10:25:55 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 15, 2025, 10:21:41 AM
Mn claimed there was no error. The DOJ admitted there was an error. Now, magically, there is no error.

He was erroneously sent to where he was not supposed to be sent. It appears that if they sent him to Mexico, it would have been fine. But they did not. So there was an error.
I don't believe I've said there was no error.
If they had deported him to Mexico, assuming Mexico would accept him, they would have satisfied both of the immigration court decisions.
He may have been deported wrongly, but he was not wrongly deported.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4442 on: April 15, 2025, 10:31:36 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on April 15, 2025, 10:22:18 AM
Nope.
1 more time, from SCOTUS ...
"The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate”
Abrego Garcia’s release from custody ...."

Bukele won't release him which negates the possibility of the US transferring him to a country upon release.

Tell yourself he was a violent gang member engaged in human trafficking so he deserved to be sent to a 'gulag' despite not being charged with any crime other than a minor misdemeanor.

Trump.could get this guy out if he wanted to.

So now, ICE can just pull anyone off the street, send them to prison in a foreign country, then say, "oopsy, it was an error, but nothing we can do!
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4443 on: April 15, 2025, 10:31:48 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on April 15, 2025, 10:22:18 AM
Nope.
1 more time, from SCOTUS ...
"The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate”
Abrego Garcia’s release from custody ...."

you conveniently left out the rest of the sentence..."and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador." Which means, he is back here and then he has a chance to petition to not be tossed out. Either way, the odds are he is gone somewhere. But this is not a shining example of "We are a nation of laws, not of men."

Just wait until some shithead Progressive Democrat gets into office and exploits this system you are currently enjoying being created. You will regret all the shit these assholes are doing. The French Revolution will look like a tea party.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4444 on: April 15, 2025, 10:35:09 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 15, 2025, 10:31:36 AM
Tell yourself he was a violent gang member engaged in human trafficking so he deserved to be sent to a 'gulag' despite not being charged with any crime other than a minor misdemeanor.

Trump.could get this guy out if he wanted to.

So now, ICE can just pull anyone off the street, send them to prison in a foreign country, then say, "oopsy, it was an error, but nothing we can do!

It sounds like he was to be deported. Just not to El Salvador. He should have self-deported and this would have been avoided. Maybe the terrorist supporters on college campuses should start paying attention.

Of course he would be returned if Trump asked. But he isn't going to ask and the Courts are not going to do shit. 
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4445 on: April 15, 2025, 10:38:53 AM »
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4446 on: April 15, 2025, 10:39:51 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 15, 2025, 10:21:41 AM
Mn claimed there was no error. The DOJ admitted there was an error. Now, magically, there is no error.

He was erroneously sent to where he was not supposed to be sent. It appears that if they sent him to Mexico, it would have been fine. But they did not. So there was an error.

Sorry. My mistake.

No. He was not sent to the wrong place. His status was "withholding of removal"

To deport him legally, ICE has to go back to court and get an immigration to change his status.

Miller lied. He was not here illegally. He was legal since 2019.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4447 on: April 15, 2025, 10:43:03 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 15, 2025, 10:35:09 AM
It sounds like he was to be deported. Just not to El Salvador.

His status was "Withholding of Removal" since 2019. He checked in with ICE annually.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4448 on: April 15, 2025, 10:52:09 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 15, 2025, 10:38:53 AM
Apparently UIUC didn't get the Trump jokes.

https://wmbdradio.com/2025/04/14/us-universities-sue-energy-department-over-research-cuts/

Oh wow the who’s who of woke, broke colleges need federal money. Shocked!
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4449 on: April 15, 2025, 10:52:53 AM »
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Withholding of removal also does not offer permanent protection or a path to permanent residence. If conditions improve in a person’s home country, the government can revoke withholding of removal and again seek the person’s deportation. This can occur even years after a person is granted protection.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-withholding-of-removal

Any old orders of removal would no longer be valid once withholding of removal is granted. First, they would have to get his withholding of removal revoked. Then  seek a new order of deportation.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4450 on: April 15, 2025, 11:32:53 AM »
Quote from: Custard on April 15, 2025, 07:06:44 AM
So we didn’t need to be spending billions of taxpayer dollars on DEI programs at private universities?

The dollars are spent on scientific research. But no we can't spend any money curing cancer because you know, DEI
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« Reply #4451 on: April 15, 2025, 11:38:02 AM »
Quote from: Custard on April 15, 2025, 10:52:09 AM
Oh wow the who’s who of woke, broke colleges need federal money. Shocked!

Federal money doesn't come from thin air. Those colleges are in states that send a lot of money to DC that never comes back, ending up in Anti-wokistan to pay for volleyball courts at University of Southern Mississippi
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4452 on: April 15, 2025, 11:39:03 AM »
Quote from: Custard on April 15, 2025, 10:52:09 AM
Oh wow the who’s who of woke, broke colleges need federal money. Shocked!

I will say this. If we had a time machine, it might be a good play to withhold the federal funding that went to UIUC to fund the NCSA Mosaic project. We'd probably all be better off.
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« Reply #4453 on: April 15, 2025, 11:50:55 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 15, 2025, 10:52:53 AM
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-withholding-of-removal

Any old orders of removal would no longer be valid once withholding of removal is granted. First, they would have to get his withholding of removal revoked. Then  seek a new order of deportation.
I'm not sure it says that.

But the American Immigration Council article does say "the “removal” to a person’s home country is “withheld.” However, the government is still allowed to deport that person to a different country if the other country agrees to accept them."

And then there's customary international law ....
"By contrast, customary international law holds that a country has a duty to accept the return of its nationals."
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #4454 on: April 15, 2025, 12:53:49 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on April 15, 2025, 11:50:55 AM
I'm not sure it says that.

But the American Immigration Council article does say "the “removal” to a person’s home country is “withheld.” However, the government is still allowed to deport that person to a different country if the other country agrees to accept them."

And then there's customary international law ....
"By contrast, customary international law holds that a country has a duty to accept the return of its nationals."

"As in the case of asylum, a person who is granted withholding of removal is protected from being returned to his or her home country and receives the right to remain in the United States and work legally."

You can't be serious.
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