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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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It appears the Judge meant what he said:

Ensign confirmed to Boasberg during Friday's hearing that he understood the judge's 6:45 p.m. oral directive to turn both flights around and conveyed that to immigration authorities, seemingly undermining arguments made by the Justice Department earlier this week about the timing of the order.

"Can I ask you now how you interpreted that statement when we had a conversation on Saturday?" Judge Boasberg asked. "Did you not understand my statement during that hearing?"

"I understood your statements and relayed your directive to the clients, which I have done," Ensign said.

"What did you understand? Did you think that that was hypothetical, not serious, that it was going to be modified? Or did you understand that when I said do that immediately?" Judge Boasberg asked.

"I understood your intent -- that you meant that to be effective at that time," Ensign said, appearing to undermine the DOJ's arguments.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-returning-court-defend-deportation-venezuelan-migrants-due/story?id=120024244
And none of this including whether or not Boasberg has jurisdiction, the authority to enjoin removal, or the authority to order planes in international airspace to be turned around has been resolved.

And Alan Feuer at the NYT is still saying that Boasberg is moving closer to contempt.

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Hmm... let's see here.  Who praytell is providing oversight?  It's the IG's.  What?  They fired them immediately.  Gee, why do that unless you didn't want any sunshine on things? 
Why would the Denver Mayor and staff use an encrypted app with auto-delete ?

"Denver Mayor Mike Johnston and 14 of his top advisors, appointees and lawyers nicknamed themselves "Strike Force" and communicated about the city's migrant crisis through an end-to end encryption app, CBS News Colorado has learned. The app, Signal, proceeded to automatically delete their initial conversations."
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/encrypted-messaging-app-denver-mayor-mike-johnston-signal-delete-conversations/

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Why would the Denver Mayor and staff use an encrypted app with auto-delete ?

"Denver Mayor Mike Johnston and 14 of his top advisors, appointees and lawyers nicknamed themselves "Strike Force" and communicated about the city's migrant crisis through an end-to end encryption app, CBS News Colorado has learned. The app, Signal, proceeded to automatically delete their initial conversations."
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/encrypted-messaging-app-denver-mayor-mike-johnston-signal-delete-conversations/

Because they are the DEEP STATE

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And none of this including whether or not Boasberg has jurisdiction, the authority to enjoin removal, or the authority to order planes in international airspace to be turned around has been resolved.

And Alan Feuer at the NYT is still saying that Boasberg is moving closer to contempt.


It has yet to determined it a President or Secretary of State even has the power to invoke the Alien Enemies Act when we are not at war with any nation. That is where the Judiciary gets involved. Judicial oversight and review is not some radical new idea dreamed up leftist Democrats
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President Trump now denied even signing the proclamation that bears his signature..
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It has yet to determined it a President or Secretary of State even has the power to invoke the Alien Enemies Act when we are not at war with any nation. That is where the Judiciary gets involved. Judicial oversight and review is not some radical new idea dreamed up leftist Democrats
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President Trump now denied even signing the proclamation that bears his signature..

He declared the gangs to be terrorist organizations operating on US soil, so it seems pretty cut and dried that the act could be invoked. Unless you have TDS so bad that swiftly and decisively deporting criminal scum upsets you. 
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“President Trump was obviously referring to the original Alien Enemies Act that was signed back in 1798,” White House communications director Steven Cheung said in the statement. “The recent Executive Order was personally signed by President Trump invoking the Alien Enemies Act that designated Tren de Aragua as a Foreign Terrorist Organization in order to apprehend and deport these heinous criminals.”
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Put Martha's Vineyard in charge of deportations.

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He declared the gangs to be terrorist organizations operating on US soil, so it seems pretty cut and dried that the act could be invoked. Unless you have TDS so bad that swiftly and decisively deporting criminal scum upsets you.

Who is deranged and why?

Why not just line them against a wall and execute them? Unless even Republicans still put the rule of law above swiftly and decisively executing criminal scum?  So instead pay EL Salvador to deal with them?

My understanding is that act can be invoked in very specific situations -- against citizens of foreign nations that have either declared war on or invaded the United States.

This is the same act that was used to detain Germans, Italians, and especially Japanese during WWII

There is not one fucking word about a President justifying use of the act by declaring gangs to be terrorist organizations operating on US soil.

I am pretty sure that is not even what he did. I think he claimed that the Venezuelan gang is sort of like a nation that invaded the US. So he is sending them to El Salvador to  be detained.

Basically, it's an excuse to round up perceived undesirables without an ounce of due process.

So much for strict construction.

And nobody can dare question anything Trump does, or they have TDS.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2025, 01:24:22 PM by illiniray »
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We've never had an administration willfully allowing hundreds of members of a foreign terrorist organization to enter the U.S. such as the last one did.

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We've never had an administration willfully allowing hundreds of members of a foreign terrorist organization to enter the U.S. such as the last one did.

Blaming Biden is only going to work so long. It's not going to work at all for people with functioning brains. Thing is, even if that were somehow true; that is not an excuse to make up laws and deny due process.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2025, 02:45:34 PM by illiniray »
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The judge suggested it was signed in the dark -- an obvious reference to Trump.

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Why is this proclamation essentially signed in the dark on Friday night, early Saturday morning, when people rushed on the plane?" he [the Judge] asked. "To me, the only reason to do that is if you know the problem and you want to get them out of the country before a suit is filed."

Fox asked Trump about this. He said he didn't know. He didn't sign it.

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“I don’t know when it was signed, because I didn’t sign it,” Trump told reporters before leaving the White House on Friday evening.

The president made his comments when asked to respond to Judge James Boasberg’s concerns in court on Friday that the proclamation was “signed in the dark” of night and that migrants were hurried onto planes.
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President Trump now denied even signing the proclamation that bears his signature..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/21/politics/trump-signature-alien-enemies-act-proclamation

"Yes, I have no idea who invoked an act from the 18th century.  I have no idea who is in charge, but I definitely did not sign it.  That damn auto-pen is on the fritz."

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Even if that were somehow true; that is not excuse to make up laws to deny due process.
Nobody is making up laws.

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Who is deranged and why?

Why not just line them against a wall and execute them? Unless even Republicans still put the rule of law above swiftly and decisively executing criminal scum?  So instead pay EL Salvador to deal with them?

My understanding is that act can be invoked in very specific situations -- against citizens of foreign nations that have either declared war on or invaded the United States.

This is the same act that was used to detain Germans, Italians, and especially Japanese during WWII

There is not one fucking word about a President justifying use of the act by declaring gangs to be terrorist organizations operating on US soil.

I am pretty sure that is not even what he did. I think he claimed that the Venezuelan gang is sort of like a nation that invaded the US. So he is sending them to El Salvador to  be detained.

Basically, it's an excuse to round up perceived undesirables without an ounce of due process.

So much for strict construction.

And nobody can dare question anything Trump does, or they have TDS.

The execution thing is a giant strawman, and obviously the lens a person looks through determines whether these actions are good or bad.

You didn’t have much issue with Biden’s administration’s border policy, choosing of course to blame Trump for the elements you didn’t like. Trump comes in, slams the border closed, starts deporting the criminal elements that were let in under Biden’s “watch” and naturally you are concerned with the due process for gang members here illegally. 

There’s no evidence this is being used beyond expelling very specific people in very specific groups. The TDS comes in when the afflicted are absolutely convinced that everything the guy does is bad, and even when something that appears to be good is happening, the TDS crowd will find myriad elements to wring their hands over.

I’ve been looking at the news sites that cater specifically to this crowd lately, and it’s literally page after page of Trump fear porn, much of it parsed, imagined, fever dream nonsense designed specifically to get these people as riled up as humanly possible. Guess what? It works.
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The execution thing is a giant strawman, and obviously the lens a person looks through determines whether these actions are good or bad.

You didn’t have much issue with Biden’s administration’s border policy, choosing of course to blame Trump for the elements you didn’t like. Trump comes in, slams the border closed, starts deporting the criminal elements that were let in under Biden’s “watch” and naturally you are concerned with the due process for gang members here illegally. 

There’s no evidence this is being used beyond expelling very specific people in very specific groups. The TDS comes in when the afflicted are absolutely convinced that everything the guy does is bad, and even when something that appears to be good is happening, the TDS crowd will find myriad elements to wring their hands over.

I’ve been looking at the news sites that cater specifically to this crowd lately, and it’s literally page after page of Trump fear porn, much of it parsed, imagined, fever dream nonsense designed specifically to get these people as riled up as humanly possible. Guess what? It works.


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