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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3840 on: March 03, 2025, 01:09:53 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:30:06 PM
Those sales don’t even come close to offsetting what we’ve spent, even if you’re on the side of the “we really haven’t spent that much, we think” group. And we’d be doing way more business with Russia but we slapped them with sanctions that didn’t really seem to do much to hurt them, and completely shut our businesses out of that market.

That's just two companies. Ukraine has a 173 Billion dollar economy annually.

Russia can't afford our stuff.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3841 on: March 03, 2025, 01:10:44 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:46:50 PM
Literally an actor cosplaying military guy to tug at the heart strings of western countries that butter his bread and want to advance their globalist agenda eastward. Pulls it off pretty good, but it’s an act, and more people are starting to see through it.

Come on, you love cosplay. You've been cosplaying as a GED holder for years.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3842 on: March 03, 2025, 01:13:10 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:30:06 PM
And we’d be doing way more business with Russia but we slapped them with sanctions that didn’t really seem to do much to hurt them, and completely shut our businesses out of that market.

Their economy is being propped up by the Chinese, North Koreans, and Iranians energy buying apparently.  the rest of it....


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-growing-concerned-by-russias-economy-trump-mulls-more-sanctions-2025-01-23/

https://www.economicsobservatory.com/sanctions-effectiveness-what-lessons-three-years-into-the-war-on-ukraine

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That being said, the effect of Western sanctions on both Russia’s GDP and levels of personal disposable income has been considerable (IMF, 2025). After three years of war, Russian GDP is now 10-12% below pre-invasion trends. Personal disposable income is 20-25% below where it would have been without the conflict (Disney, 2023; Korhonen, 2023).

With both inflation and domestic interest rates in Russia currently running at over 20% – as well as the loss of foreign exchange reserves, bankruptcies rising in domestic businesses and real estate, and increasing difficulties in interbank and state bank transactions – Russia’s economy looks increasingly weak. All this is happening against the backdrop of a rapid expansion of Russia’s war economy at the expense of both private sector spending and other public sector activity.

Now the goal is to allow him to spend freely on military spending while allowing the domestic economy to grow.



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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3843 on: March 03, 2025, 01:16:41 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:38:23 PM
Doing Putin’s work for him? In his first term he called out that we disproportionately pay for more of NATO than we should, and sought to leverage the fact that they depend on us to get a better deal.

You can spin it however you want, but Putin attacked when the dear old NATO loving Democrats were in office and didn’t when “reckless NATO destroying Trump” was in office. And we didn’t kowtow to weak euro commie leaders who should be kissing our asses.

Under Trump, Ukraine didn’t lose ground, we still did business in Russia, and the world was much more at peace than it’s been the past 4 years under Biden. I know this is hard to digest.

There is plenty of blame to go around. But you are going to get what you want: A completely militarized Europe who does not have to answer to us when we pull out of NATO (as that is coming from these dipshits). It is going to be awesome. Odds are your kids will look good in fatigues!

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3844 on: March 03, 2025, 01:17:32 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:46:50 PM
Pulls it off pretty good, but it’s an act, and more people are starting to see through it.

You sure about that?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3845 on: March 03, 2025, 01:20:29 PM »
Now we have an incident where a private Norway retailer refused to gas up our subs....awesome. At least the Norway government stepped in. For now.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3846 on: March 03, 2025, 01:22:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 03, 2025, 01:13:10 PM
Their economy is being propped up by the Chinese, North Koreans, and Iranians energy buying apparently.  the rest of it....


A gas station with a flag.

I guess if you're playing 3D chess, that's a good thing. The Russians have a great University system and graduate a lot of very talented engineers, but their country writ large is so screwed up that their only domestic tech industry is pretty much black hat hacking, while the Chinese are trying to actually compete with the US
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3847 on: March 03, 2025, 02:11:42 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 03, 2025, 01:16:41 PM
There is plenty of blame to go around. But you are going to get what you want: A completely militarized Europe who does not have to answer to us when we pull out of NATO (as that is coming from these dipshits). It is going to be awesome. Odds are your kids will look good in fatigues!

I think Obama, Trump and Biden (in that order) deserve the most blame for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.  Romney and McCain understood Putin’s ambitions to restore the Russian Empire and allow Moscow to project its power into Europe.  Biden was slow to act, but at least he moved away from Obama's faulty view of Russia.   

Unfortunately, we now have a surrender monkey in charge.  Trump and the MAGAs want to take us back to the 30s, a period of rising fascism, strongman rule, trade wars and tariffs, and of course appeasement. 
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3848 on: March 03, 2025, 06:55:52 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:30:06 PM
Those sales don’t even come close to offsetting what we’ve spent, even if you’re on the side of the “we really haven’t spent that much, we think” group. And we’d be doing way more business with Russia but we slapped them with sanctions that didn’t really seem to do much to hurt them, and completely shut our businesses out of that market.

That depends on how much you think we have spent. There is the fake 300 to 350 billion Trump bloviates. Then there are the estimates for various credible sources.

I would generously guesstimat about 100 billion, roughly the same as Europe, UK, Canada, and Australia collectively. I don't hear them demanding something in return. And we obligated by treaty to help provide Ukraine's security.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3849 on: March 03, 2025, 07:07:56 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 03, 2025, 12:46:50 PM
Literally an actor cosplaying military guy to tug at the heart strings of western countries that butter his bread and want to advance their globalist agenda eastward. Pulls it off pretty good, but it’s an act, and more people are starting to see through it.

Our President is a mostly failed businessman who turned his life around by becoming a successful reality show host. He parlayed that success into leading a Christian Nationalist takeover of the Republican Party. Pulls it off pretty good, but it’s an act, and more people are starting to see through it.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3850 on: March 03, 2025, 08:52:38 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 03, 2025, 07:07:56 PM
Our President is a mostly failed businessman who turned his life around by becoming a successful reality show host. He parlayed that success into leading a Christian Nationalist takeover of the Republican Party. Pulls it off pretty good, but it’s an act, and more people are starting to see through it.

Good one Nichi!
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3851 on: March 03, 2025, 09:53:14 PM »
Republicans never met a war they didn’t like until Ukraine. Hilarious.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3852 on: March 04, 2025, 12:06:12 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 03, 2025, 07:07:56 PM
Our President is a mostly failed businessman who turned his life around by becoming a successful reality show host. He parlayed that success into leading a Christian Nationalist takeover of the Republican Party. Pulls it off pretty good, but it’s an act, and more people are starting to see through it.

“Mostly failed” is an interesting take on his career. He’s got properties and businesses all over the world with his name on them, has more wealth than he’ll ever be able to spend, and is the second time leader of the free world.

I’m guessing you don’t look back at your career as “mostly failed” while you’re enjoying retirement clipping Berkot’s coupons in a collar county, and you shouldn’t.

I guess it’s all relative. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3853 on: March 04, 2025, 12:13:31 AM »
Quote from: Custard’s Uber Driver on March 03, 2025, 09:53:14 PM
Republicans never met a war they didn’t like until Ukraine. Hilarious.

Yet Trump didn’t like them and stayed out of them. Russia’s aggressiveness tracks very closely with Democrat presidents because they don’t have the sack to go toe to toe with Putin. He doesn’t respect them and feels emboldened.

Trump uses diplomacy to get on Putin’s good side (knowing he can play good cop and throw jabs at NATO in the process because they need us and won’t do shit) and it seems to work a lot better than just not talking to them and implicating them in political collusion hoaxes.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3854 on: March 04, 2025, 12:54:15 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 03, 2025, 01:16:41 PM
There is plenty of blame to go around. But you are going to get what you want: A completely militarized Europe who does not have to answer to us when we pull out of NATO (as that is coming from these dipshits). It is going to be awesome. Odds are your kids will look good in fatigues!

None of that is going to happen unless the globalists win. You should be against that.

Like Tempo, the only way my kids will serve is if they choose to.
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