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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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And prohibition of alcoholic beverages was a smashing success. Not the legalization has been great, but at least we have moved in the direction of treating alcoholism as a disease.

Criminal charges are still a pretty big deterrent for people when they’re making the decision to do hard drugs or not. I feel like legalization is an easy way out and basically invites people to start using. I am sure there are others that are attracted to the stigma of something taboo too that start using simply because it’s edgy, but I’d wager it’s much fewer than those that are deterred by the illegality. I specifically have never even been interested in trying hard drugs simply because I have been scared to death of the potential legal repercussions much more than the negative effects of the drugs themselves.

It’s very noticeable to me how legal weed in Illinois changed behavior. Moved away in 2021, about a year and a half after it was legalized. Big fan of legalization at the time, btw, as I’ve been a casual user of cannabis for 10-12 years. But now every time we go back and visit, it seems every public space smells like weed/weed vape. The gas station. The hotel elevator. The subway. ThePAMan’s tailgate at the Illini football game. That pretty much tells me that there’s been a significant uptick in usage since legalization, especially compared to neighboring states where it isn’t for sale everywhere and public spaces don’t smell like weed.

I am on the fence a little on how to classify these things. Yes, a lot of people have problems and begin to self-medicate which becomes an addiction that ruins their lives. A lot of other people are simply thrill seeking and living recklessly and getting addicted and ruining their lives. Other people have chronic pain and a licensed doctor (and doctors and scientists know more than everyone, per Tempo) prescribes hard drugs and they get addicted and it ruins their lives.

There’s this reductionist school of thought that addiction/drug abuse is a disease and is an inevitable outcome, like a certain percentage of people getting ALS or whatever. The people that argue for legalization of hard drugs on this basis are also the same people that tend to argue for gun abolition. What ruins more lives, guns or hard drugs? Hell, throw alcohol in there for good measure. The drugs and alcohol usually ruin lives behind closed doors, get kindly labeled as a disease, while shootings get headlines everywhere.

So that’s the conundrum. We can’t trust people with guns, so we need to eliminate them. But let’s trust people with hard drugs because it’s just a disease and all they need is a social worker and a warm place to sleep. They might not go out and kill 15 people with those drugs tonight and make the news, they’ll just go on with the slow grind of ruining their own lives and those of everyone that loves them.

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You didn't mention the black market profits. That is one of the reasons for decriminalization. To get the criminal element out of marketing them as much as possible. .

Alcoholism and drug addiction are treatable diseases.

I am  pro-gun safety. Learned to shoot with a .22 and a .410.

They quit teaching gun safety in rural high schools when I was in junior high..

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Trump was in flood ravaged North Carolina yesterday and then went to LA and talked with people in both locations who have lost everything. After viewing the devastation in both areas he arrived at an LA Fire Department for a meeting with officials and residents. The 1 hour or so meeting would have ended around 8:30 east coast time.
The last President was simply incapable of anything like this, much less leading the conversation as well as listening to and accepting the suggestions of local officials and residents.
Trump had no cue cards with images of who to call on, what their name was, who they were affiliated with and what question they were allowed to ask that would open the door for a staff prepared answer.

Go ahead and pick your nits.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uMSc55lx4eQ&feature=shared
« Last Edit: January 25, 2025, 08:15:15 AM by No one in Mn »

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Trump revoked security details for Fauci, Pompeo, Bolton ...

https://apnews.com/article/fauci-trump-security-detail-4b2e317dc9e7768c0571df30750e863a
Fauci's security, to the tune of $15 million, ended Sept 30, 2024 when the guy who gave him a preemptive pardon was still in office. The memorandum of understanding was between HHS, NIH and the US Marshals Service.
The NIH then used taxpayer funds in their coffers to provide private security coverage for Fauci.
Unless the NIH can show documentation that the use of these taxpayer funds could be used for private, and not US Marshal, security details I'll go with Fauci's security ended Sept 30, 2024.

« Last Edit: January 25, 2025, 10:06:56 AM by No one in Mn »

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Trump revoked security details for Fauci, Pompeo, Bolton ...

https://apnews.com/article/fauci-trump-security-detail-4b2e317dc9e7768c0571df30750e863a
If Iran does anything to either Bolton or Pompeo, Iranian heads will roll and they know it.

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Trump revoked security details for Fauci, Pompeo, Bolton ...

https://apnews.com/article/fauci-trump-security-detail-4b2e317dc9e7768c0571df30750e863a

And let that be a lesson for anyone who dares to say anything but praise for Der Orange God Emperor.

Well, John I suggest you grow eyes in the back of your head.  Because the Batshit Signal has gone up.  Stay away from 5th Avenue. 

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If Iran does anything to either Bolton or Pompeo, Iranian heads will roll and they know it.

You would hope!
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

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Big fan of legalization at the time, btw, as I’ve been a casual user of cannabis for 10-12 years.

If I get this timeline right, that makes you a lawbreaking scum for several years.

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Fauci's security, to the tune of $15 million, ended Sept 30, 2024 when the guy who gave him a preemptive pardon was still in office. The memorandum of understanding was between HHS, NIH and the US Marshals Service.
The NIH then used taxpayer funds in their coffers to provide private security coverage for Fauci.
Unless the NIH can show documentation that the use of these taxpayer funds could be used for private, and not US Marshal, security details I'll go with Fauci's security ended Sept 30, 2024.

According to the daily mail, Fauci's deal ended September 30.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14214841/anthony-fauci-private-security-doge-tax-fund.html

According to CNN, Trump defended his decision to pull Fauci's security detail.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/24/politics/video/anthony-fauci-security-detail-trump-digvid
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What ruins more lives, guns or hard drugs?

Statistically - neither can compare to automobiles.

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If I get this timeline right, that makes you a lawbreaking scum for several years.

I could tell a story about illegal reefer use, but better not.
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Trump was in flood ravaged North Carolina yesterday and then went to LA and talked with people in both locations who have lost everything. After viewing the devastation in both areas he arrived at an LA Fire Department for a meeting with officials and residents. The 1 hour or so meeting would have ended around 8:30 east coast time.
The last President was simply incapable of anything like this, much less leading the conversation as well as listening to and accepting the suggestions of local officials and residents.
Trump had no cue cards with images of who to call on, what their name was, who they were affiliated with and what question they were allowed to ask that would open the door for a staff prepared answer.

Go ahead and pick your nits.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uMSc55lx4eQ&feature=shared

He said the fires were because we weren't "letting the water flow from the North", which was patently untrue.
Maybe he needed some cue cards, because everything he said was bullshit. Frankly silence would be more effective

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Statistically - neither can compare to automobiles.

I think more children drown?
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He said the fires were because we weren't "letting the water flow from the North", which was patently untrue.
Maybe he needed some cue cards, because everything he said was bullshit. Frankly silence would be more effective

It’s effective because lots of people believe it
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