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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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This really is a problem. Everyone knows that males are much better burger flippers than women, as a general rule, and that they do a much better job placing the cheese on the meat.

True. The best chefs in the world are men.
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You’re ok with discrimination as long as it’s against white people. Asians are probably the most negatively impacted group.

This is also a problem in private firms as well, many VC stipulate DEI. In October I was essentially forced to hire a much less qualified female applicant over a very qualified male applicant. It was a critical timeframe and we had to hire in a hurry, and the internal ratings scorecard that values things like race and gender over actual merit indicated that she came out ahead. We also had to meet a quota for females in outside sales roles. So she gets the job and 3 months later is on a PIP while the other guy went to a competitor and is kicking our ass in that geography.   This has resounding ramifications to me as an equity shareholder and someone whose job is evaluated by performance of the people I hire.

Sometimes I wonder how someone who was reportedly a conservative up until 2016 has gone this far to the other side.

The Viet Cong?

It doesn't sound like your white guy faced any systemic discrimination. Sounds like he is doing just fine.

I always had mixed feelings about affirmative action programs.

ditto DEI

My understanding is the former was a remedial action intended to make up for systemic disadvantages.

The latter is more akin to antitrust action to break up monopolies. Except the target is cronyism, e.g. the old boy network. The goal is multiculturalism, to create a culture where everyone within reason is welcome and has a seat at the table.

The problems in both cases is you gotta break eggs to make an omelette and them eggs is expensive. Some people are going to lose power, others will get into positions outside their comfort zone and / or over their heads.

In the long range, it's best for humanity if we have a mix of merit based and needs based systems.

If we don't have diversity, equity, and inclusion; we wind up with uniformity / ethnocentrism, unfairness
/ bias, and division / segregation.

Maybe some prefer that?
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This really is a problem. Everyone knows that males are much better burger flippers than women, as a general rule, and that they do a much better job placing the cheese on the meat.

Disagree. Women should be making sandwiches instead of talking about NFL football.
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Doing nothing is preferable to actively discriminating.

They probably were not doing much in the first place as government employees so nothing has changed.
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It doesn't sound like your white guy faced any systemic discrimination. Sounds like he is doing just fine.

I always had mixed feelings about affirmative action programs.

ditto DEI

My understanding is the former was a remedial action intended to make up for systemic disadvantages.

The latter is more akin to antitrust action to break up monopolies. Except the target is cronyism, e.g. the old boy network. The goal is multiculturalism, to create a culture where everyone within reason is welcome and has a seat at the table.

The problems in both cases is you gotta break eggs to make an omelette and them eggs is expensive. Some people are going to lose power, others will get into positions outside their comfort zone and / or over their heads.

In the long range, it's best for humanity if we have a mix of merit based and needs based systems.

If we don't have diversity, equity, and inclusion; we wind up with uniformity / ethnocentrism, unfairness
/ bias, and division / segregation.

Yeah he luckily had another opportunity. He was 100% discriminated against by a system that lowered his perceived value because he was a white male.

I am sure the DEI stuff gradually took hold because of good intentions. Politics the last 4 years allowed it to get way out of control. I’m a firm believer that many liberals are ok with signaling virtue and good intentions and forget all about the importance of the outcome.
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I am sure the DEI stuff gradually took hold because of good intentions. Politics the last 4 years allowed it to get way out of control. I’m a firm believer that many liberals are ok with signaling virtue and good intentions and forget all about the importance of the outcome.

Some right wing vice signaler with ill intentions apparently came up with the pejorative term virtue signaling.

I think most advocates of DEI are aware it's a path fraught with peril. Us white boys aren't going to share our privilege without a struggle!
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Us white boys aren't going to share our privilege without a struggle!

I am sure many of the West Virginians living in poverty in Appalachia agree.
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Other than 34 felonies and stealing money from kids with cancer.

Found liable for sexual assault
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Tempo is obviously grateful for the first part of that Executive Order....
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Some right wing vice signaler with ill intentions apparently came up with the pejorative term virtue signaling.

I think most advocates of DEI are aware it's a path fraught with peril. Us white boys aren't going to share our privilege without a struggle!

Not hard to come up with a term based on an entire group of people exhibiting the same moral high ground/attention seeking behavior. White privilege LOL you really drank the Kool Aid!
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I am sure many of the West Virginians living in poverty in Appalachia agree.

Hilarious.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Hilarious.

People living in poverty is hilarious?
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People living in poverty is hilarious?

The notion that because there are poor white people white people aren’t privledged is what’s hilarious. 
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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This is also a problem in private firms as well, many VC stipulate DEI. In October I was essentially forced to hire a much less qualified female applicant over a very qualified male applicant. It was a critical timeframe and we had to hire in a hurry, and the internal ratings scorecard that values things like race and gender over actual merit indicated that she came out ahead. We also had to meet a quota for females in outside sales roles. So she gets the job and 3 months later is on a PIP while the other guy went to a competitor and is kicking our ass in that geography.   This has resounding ramifications to me as an equity shareholder and someone whose job is evaluated by performance of the people I hire

Wow!  This sounds like a textbook case of affinity bias or mini-me syndrome on your part.  Glad to hear management intervened.  I'm sure the female applicant was highly qualified.  She's going to be your supervisor in less than 5 years.  Prepare yourself.
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