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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1920 on: September 06, 2024, 08:40:09 AM »
Or nannies. Or sexy au pairs!
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1921 on: September 06, 2024, 01:51:51 PM »
That dumbass Tramp was asked about childcare in NYC today. All he did was ramble on and on and on about other things and wouldn't answer the ladies question about the rising cost of childcare and what he could do to help families with this cost. "Childcare is childcare" is all he would say. What a stupid idiot. And those stupid idiots in the crowd clapped.

He literally recommended having grandma and grandpa do it to relieve costs. Or an aunt.
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« Reply #1922 on: September 06, 2024, 01:54:22 PM »
Sorry, I assumed he meant Vance, who said grandma and grandpa could step in.

Surprised he didn’t say mom could be a stay at home mother.
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« Reply #1923 on: September 06, 2024, 03:08:31 PM »
He literally recommended having grandma and grandpa do it to relieve costs. Or an aunt.

I mean, the guy is a jag, but I can understand where he's coming from, at least related to child care.

My wife stayed home with mine until they were in school, then went back to work. It made sense for us because daycare costs a fucking fortune, and at the end of the day, someone else is spending more time with your kids than you are, and effectively raising them. We didn't want that.

When she wasn't home, her mom was there to help us. So that also alleviated cost. Should everyone be forced to depend on that? No, of course not. That's how it worked out for us tho.

I got lucky in a lot of ways. Both of my kids got a free undergraduate education at a private university. That is so fucking huge. Great start for them, and no financial encumbrance for us.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1924 on: September 06, 2024, 03:15:20 PM »
Whatever you do, don’t broach the subject of the systematic destruction of the family that’s necessitated the massive demand (and resultant cost increase) of childcare. Which disproportionately affects minorities on a massive scale.
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« Reply #1925 on: September 06, 2024, 03:43:07 PM »
Whatever you do, don’t broach the subject of the systematic destruction of the family that’s necessitated the massive demand (and resultant cost increase) of childcare. Which disproportionately affects minorities on a massive scale.

Hey man you cant tell women that making powerpoints for some soulless bigcorp for 60k a year is less important than rasing their children.  Its 2024 for crying out loud!
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« Reply #1926 on: September 06, 2024, 03:44:43 PM »
Whatever you do, don’t broach the subject of the systematic destruction of the family that’s necessitated the massive demand (and resultant cost increase) of childcare. Which disproportionately affects minorities on a massive scale.

Hmmm. Not sure I see it this way. I see the demand for childcare as both parents feeling the need to work. I'm not taking single mothers into account. Maybe I should be. And I'm speaking for my generation, which isn't necessarily in scope here.

Anyway, I'm an Xer. Me and my sister had to figure a lot of shit out on our own. Our parents were working. We actually got left alone to manage the house when I was 7 and she was 5. Mom taught me how to boil water to make mac and cheese and hotdogs for lunch if we wanted something hot. Otherwise, it was sandwiches. Didnt matter to them, as long as we figured it out. I don't know how many times I burned my hands on a hot pot because I wasn't being careful. I had to learn quickly to figure shit out. And, I also don't know how many times they came home and found something wrong that they had to deal with. We were doing our best, but we were kids. Mom and Dad got home and wanted to relax for a bit, and didn't want to have to deal with anything. So I learned real fast to have the house clean and have any kind of issues tidied up. Basically, I had to learn how to be a grown up at age 7 or 8. That's fucking hard.

It's hard to grow up that way. It's like telling a kindergartner to figure out how to solve an algebra equation. They're just gonna fuck it up. Fortunately, my fuck ups when we were growing up weren't life threatening. My parents did their best with what they had, and what they felt was right. In the meantime, they raised a couple of fucked up kids. One of whom is dead.

My parents have both passed on. Yeah, they did their best, but I always swore that I would do so much better by my children. And I have. They both have awesome jobs, and I'm so fucking proud of them. At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me. Nothing else.

Sorry, that got long. But I just felt like typing it all out. If it was a waste of your time, I apologize.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1927 on: September 06, 2024, 04:17:33 PM »
I mean, the guy is a jag, but I can understand where he's coming from, at least related to child care.

My wife stayed home with mine until they were in school, then went back to work. It made sense for us because daycare costs a fucking fortune, and at the end of the day, someone else is spending more time with your kids than you are, and effectively raising them. We didn't want that.

When she wasn't home, her mom was there to help us. So that also alleviated cost. Should everyone be forced to depend on that? No, of course not. That's how it worked out for us tho.

I got lucky in a lot of ways. Both of my kids got a free undergraduate education at a private university. That is so fucking huge. Great start for them, and no financial encumbrance for us.

You were fortunate that your wife could stay at home and kudos to your mother-in-law for pitching in.  Even though many families prefer an informal home-based childcare option, it’s difficult when they live farther away from their relatives.   

Proximity is also an issue for lower-income families that may not have the flexibility and control over their schedules, and who may have to rely on public transportation to get to childcare and work. 

Lots of childcare deserts out there.  No question that the U.S. needs much more childcare capacity in centers and homes so that families have a real choice to select the program that best meets their needs.   

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1928 on: September 06, 2024, 04:21:36 PM »
You were fortunate that your wife could stay at home and kudos to your mother-in-law for pitching in.  Even though many families prefer an informal home-based childcare option, it’s difficult when they live farther away from their relatives.   

Proximity is also an issue for lower-income families that may not have the flexibility and control over their schedules, and who may have to rely on public transportation to get to childcare and work. 

Lots of childcare deserts out there.  No question that the U.S. needs much more childcare capacity in centers and homes so that families have a real choice to select the program that best meets their needs.

Agreed. Again, we were so fortunate. It shoudn't be an expectation. We just had that option, and we capitalized on it. We pretty much had to.

We struggled for a bit. I didn't make a ton of money coming out of college. We really had to sacrifice to make it all work. We succeeded. It was very hard, tho.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1929 on: September 06, 2024, 04:38:10 PM »
Whatever you do, don’t broach the subject of the systematic destruction of the family that’s necessitated the massive demand (and resultant cost increase) of childcare. Which disproportionately affects minorities on a massive scale.

I don't think it was systematic. That implies intentional. Systemic would be a better word.

By families, I assume you mean the nuclear family.

My impression is the minorities you speak of traditionally had more of a maternal, extended, communal family (it takes a village).

The extended family was once important in other ethnic communities as well.

Oversimplified: Upward mobility has disintegrated the extended family and the community culture, especially the small town, and so-called inner city.

Pressure to acquire wealth and succeed has also stressed the nuclear family. More working moms. More white single moms.

It is easy to blame the struggles of African American men on the break up of nuclear families, even though it's wrong. The nuclear family was never the basic unit.

I looked at some studies. Children raised in successful nuclear families now do better than children raised in extended families.

Of course. They weed out all the single moms and divorces.

The data for extended family primarily comes from poor communities from which the successful role models move away.

My take.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2024, 04:51:05 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1930 on: September 06, 2024, 04:48:09 PM »
Nichi, shut the fuck up. You're not an expert on everything.

Fuck. You honestly make me feel tired.
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« Reply #1931 on: September 06, 2024, 05:00:52 PM »
Nichi, shut the fuck up. You're not an expert on everything.

Fuck. You honestly make me feel tired.

Go take a nap. I never claimed to be an expert on anything. I do read all sides and think.

I am tired of conservative white people blaming the struggles of black men on the break up of the family and absent fathers, blah, blah.

The people pushing that aren't experts. It's wrong because they just made it up and never looked into. They don't know the first fucking thing about black culture.

I know a little bit, because I have worked with the black community. I also took the time to read up on it.

I discuss ideas and events here, not the other posters. Not gonna apologize for that.

Now go take that nap.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2024, 05:06:42 PM by illiniray »
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« Reply #1932 on: September 06, 2024, 05:01:41 PM »
Like Ivanka, Marla, and Melania.

Maybe he should have said  nannies?
He's too stupid to think and say that.

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« Reply #1933 on: September 06, 2024, 05:04:50 PM »
"A Harris Poll conducted in February 2023, reports that 42 percent of working parents in America rely on grandparents to take care of their children while they work. Most say they would be “lost” without their parents’ assistance ..."

https://homegrownchildcare.org/grandparents-are-holding-the-fort-as-childcare-providers-but-theyre-breaking/
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1934 on: September 06, 2024, 05:07:50 PM »
Dick Cheney to support Kamala Harris for prez. Oooooo-eeeeee.