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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2022, 11:02:42 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 21, 2022, 10:48:51 AM
It seems you’re quibbling.

No I’m stating that we definitely weren’t playing to our potential, thus Houston was picked to win by a lot of people and might’ve been the better team and it could’ve been argued they were before regardless of how we were playing. I mentioned during the game how their guards looked like Greek Gods compared to ours. The were much more physical. Yes I believe we shit the bed too, but I think the better team won that day. It happens in a single elimination tournament quite a bit on both sides. See Kentucky and then see Michigan. Underwood definitely needs to figure something out. I’m not quite ready to say it’s a huge issue because we are still taking step in the right direction and with him we will have plenty of bites at the apple as you would say. I’m excited about that. Am I disappointed, yes. I think he’ll figure it out. If not and this happens again, I’ll definitely look at it differently.
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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2022, 11:13:26 AM »
I’m not arguing that Underwood hasn’t dramatically improved the program. It’s a much healthier program than it was 5 years ago. But there’s no sugar coating the last two (and only two under Underwood) NCAA tournaments have been abysmal. Our only accomplishments were beating a 16 seed and finding a way to lead a 13 seed for 25 seconds of the game.

I don’t want Underwood fired. Just calling balls and strikes. And not lowering my NCAA Tournament expectations to explain away very poor performances.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2022, 11:23:20 AM »
That’s fair. I’m not lowering my tournament expectations either, but understand those things will happen. Does that make it ok? No, but I think he’ll figure it out and we’re headed in the right direction regardless. Those two things can also be true. Like I stated I’ll give him another opportunity in the tourney before I see it as a real big issue. For example, go back and look at Jay Wright’s resume history.

Edit- I’m not saying Underwood’s resume will end up like Wright’s, I’m just pointing it out that two years of second round exits in a single-elimination tourney aren’t necessarily indicative of someone being a bad coach or what not. Or not being able to get past that point. It happens to the best of them more often than not.
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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2022, 11:25:30 AM »
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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2022, 11:26:41 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 21, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
Tempo versus Scout Board Merrymen is entertaining and disappointing viewing simultaneously.

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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2022, 11:46:03 AM »
The way we played this past month, no one should be surprised we lost yesterday.  I was genuinely surprised when I kept hearing "experts" say Illinois could go on a deep run.

Last year's loss to Loyola was much, much more deflating because that team was playing great basketball.

We had won 11 of the last 12 regular season games
Won the Big Ten tournament
Beat Drexel by 29 in the first round

THAT should have been a Final Four team.

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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2022, 11:52:59 AM »
Agreed
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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2022, 12:13:56 PM »
Quote from: OskeeWowWoe on March 21, 2022, 11:46:03 AM
The way we played this past month, no one should be surprised we lost yesterday.  I was genuinely surprised when I kept hearing "experts" say Illinois could go on a deep run.

Last year's loss to Loyola was much, much more deflating because that team was playing great basketball.

We had won 11 of the last 12 regular season games
Won the Big Ten tournament
Beat Drexel by 29 in the first round

THAT should have been a Final Four team.

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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2022, 12:26:41 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 21, 2022, 11:23:20 AM
That’s fair. I’m not lowering my tournament expectations either, but understand those things will happen.

Again we’re probably quibbling over very small differences, but 3 extremely poor games in a row is a trend. Not calling for Underwood’s job. Just recognizing we shat the bed two years in a row.
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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2022, 12:29:26 PM »
And unless Kofi and Belo both come back, it could be a while before we’re positioned to go deep into the tourney again anytime soon.
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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2022, 01:20:13 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 21, 2022, 12:29:26 PM
And unless Kofi and Belo both come back, it could be a while before we’re positioned to go deep into the tourney again anytime soon.

As I’ve said several times before, Kofi’s ball dominance has a way of dramatically raising our floor and lowering our ceiling. Running offense through a guy like Kofi is not a Final Four recipe.

If Kofi stayed at the bare minimum we’d need to add a capable change of pace guy like a Trevion Williams for nights like last night where the monster traditional big in Edey is getting neutralized by swarming. Payne proved this year he was not that. And what impact transfer wants to come sit behind a three year starter who plays over 30 mins a game?

Honestly I think had Grandison and RJ stayed healthy we would have seen Hawkins at the 5 more down the stretch and said as much a few weeks ago. And he was effective when he played it at that time. That lineup would have made us a fair amount more modern and versatile for certain matchups.

As far as Belo goes hard telling if he’ll ever get back to what he could be. Not sure the last time we had such a tantalizing yet aggravating player. I wouldn’t bank on him by any means. We need to get experienced slashing wing/ball handler and a versatile big in the portal to bridge the gap until the young guys mature.
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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2022, 02:03:44 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 21, 2022, 01:20:13 PM
As I’ve said several times before, Kofi’s ball dominance has a way of dramatically raising our floor and lowering our ceiling. Running offense through a guy like Kofi is not a Final Four recipe.

Just depends on who you pair him with. Pair him with Jaden Ivey or even a better version of Andre Curbelo than we saw this year, the combo would be devastating. Any team with turnover prone, streaky shooting,  middling passing guards is vulnerable in the tourney.
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Re: Where we screwed up
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2022, 02:05:00 PM »
Frank or Deron Williams with Kofi is a national champion.
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« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2022, 02:11:41 PM »
You’re just bending yourself into a pretzel to explain away our deficiencies.
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« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2022, 02:39:41 PM »
I’m using logic and statistics to make  objectively true statements. Find me the last time a guy like Kofi played 30+ minutes for the Final Four let alone National Title team.

Look at Purdue last night. They swarmed Edey (2/6 shooting) and made it difficult for him so he only played 14 mins. They brought in their versatile passing stretch 5 6th man and he ends up playing almost 26 minutes and goes 10/13 for 22/7. They exploited the matchup with a more versatile, mobile player.

We didn’t have that anything close to that luxury unless we used Hawkins to do it which went out the window when Grandison effectively went down for the season.

Playing guys like Kofi 30* minutes creates opportunities of course but also some bottlenecks and limitations because he limits the pace at which the team can play and what they can do in transition. A guy like Kofi is a great weapon. We really needed Payne to be better and be able to play 10-15 minutes per game to give us a different look. I would have played Hawkins at the 5 more when Grandison was healthy and given Kofi more rest.
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