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spark mandrill

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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2022, 03:38:41 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on March 08, 2022, 03:37:06 PM
No, POY is best player.

MVP is most valuable to one’s own team.

Ivey/Davis are better players than Kofi, therefore they should finish higher in the POY race.

If Big 10 was giving out awards for MVP, then Kofi should win that.

By what metric is Davis a better player than Kofi?  It ain't production or efficiency.

If it's not an 'MVP' race, Davis shouldn't even be in consideration.  He's a pure volume guy.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2022, 03:39:59 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2022, 03:31:38 PM
Which is why Franz Wagner won BTPOY last year.

Or, y'know, NBA draft potential could have nothing whatsoever to do with BTPOY voting.

Do a quick run-over.

When was the last time the BTPOY was the highest drafted player from the league?

Well, I’d assume the BTPOY has at least been a drafted player in years whete other guys were also in the draft.

Kofi, likely not drafted, would look silly getting POY over Ivey/Davis who are likely top 5 picks.  Ivey may go #1
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2022, 03:43:13 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on March 08, 2022, 03:39:59 PM
Well, I’d assume the BTPOY has at least been a drafted player in years whete other guys were also in the draft.

Kofi, likely not drafted, would look silly getting POY over Ivey/Davis who are likely top 5 picks.  Ivey may go #1

The NBA draft simply is unrelated to the BTPOY race.

You know that, but your dick gets rock hard like you saw a 13 yea old tennis girl's Twitter when you get to try to rip on Illinois and you're a complete and utter moron 100% of the time.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2022, 03:45:34 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2022, 03:38:41 PM
By what metric is Davis a better player than Kofi?  It ain't production or efficiency.

If it's not an 'MVP' race, Davis shouldn't even be in consideration.  He's a pure volume guy.

Davis is better than Kofi because players that can dribble and create are better than post players that can’t.

If Kofi was a 20/10 guy that was an athletic 4 who was shooting 3s…he’s be looked at as better.  But pure post players are no longer valued as highly as guys that can dribble
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2022, 03:46:24 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on March 08, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
Davis is better than Kofi because players that can dribble and create are better than post players that can’t.

If Kofi was a 20/10 guy that was an athletic 4 who was shooting 3s…he’s be looked at as better.  But pure post players are no longer valued as highly as guys that can dribble

Basically, even though Kofi produced more and more efficiently, you disqualify him because of the position he plays.

Dumb as fuck.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2022, 04:46:51 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on March 08, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
Davis is better than Kofi because players that can dribble and create are better than post players that can’t.

If Kofi was a 20/10 guy that was an athletic 4 who was shooting 3s…he’s be looked at as better.  But pure post players are no longer valued as highly as guys that can dribble

Quote from: Dominic on March 08, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
They’d have 20+ losses judging from Underwood’s history without Kofi

so which is it, is he not valuable, or is he valuable?  Hard to keep up with your lack of logic here
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2022, 06:48:38 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 08, 2022, 04:46:51 PM
so which is it, is he not valuable, or is he valuable?  Hard to keep up with your lack of logic here

It’s easy logic if you can understand the difference between most valuable and most outstanding.

Kofi can be most valuable (given his importance to Illinois) while also acknowledging Davis/Ivey are simply better players. 



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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2022, 09:25:18 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 08, 2022, 02:05:28 PM
And only 1 behind Bohannon.
And here I only thought this was Bohannon's 13th season at xxxx,  AKA the northwest suburb of Illinois.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2022, 11:08:46 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on March 08, 2022, 03:39:59 PM
Well, I’d assume the BTPOY has at least been a drafted player in years whete other guys were also in the draft.

Kofi, likely not drafted, would look silly getting POY over Ivey/Davis who are likely top 5 picks.  Ivey may go #1

Ivey does not go #1 in any scenario imo. He may get into the Top 5, that is even questionable...Kofi may not go in top 60 as projected by Bleacher Report.

Chance we get him back with some serious NIL $$$
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2022, 11:32:29 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 08, 2022, 11:51:39 AM
Gard SHOULD be COY.  Davis has no business being the conference POY.

And Kofi got left off at least one media all-conference ballot.  Davis Ivey and Murray consensus, Kofi isn’t.

Somehow being preseason POY and playing better than expected was held against him.  Will never understand it.
Agreed on all fronts. I don't care how his game projects in the pros, the guy's a more valuable college player.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2022, 06:12:29 AM »
Gard for COY.
They couldn't give POY to Murray, tho he probably deserved it more than Davis, because they gave it to Garza the previous 2 years. 1 program just shouldn't get POY 3 years running. 
Davis is 4th in scoring and 3rd in rebounding, which is damn good for a guy 6'5".
Davis is a very good player, but Murray put up better numbers offensively.
Kofi is 3rd and 1st with 20+ and 10+.
Give it to the 2 time All American Kofi and few people would be bitching about Wisco NOT getting COY and POY.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2022, 12:35:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/IlliniBaby/status/1501592610007363592

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The last three Big Ten Coach of the Year winners (Gard and Howard) are a combined 0-9 against Brad Underwood during that span.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #72 on: March 09, 2022, 02:56:43 PM »
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2022, 03:02:02 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 09, 2022, 12:35:01 PM
https://twitter.com/IlliniBaby/status/1501592610007363592

Underwood would probably have had a better record against those two if he hadn't underperformed.
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Re: B1G awards
« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2022, 09:04:32 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 09, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
Underwood would probably have had a better record against those two if he hadn't underperformed.

Too bad he is 0-1 against Porter Moser.
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