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Rotation down the stretch?

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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2022, 09:59:35 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 14, 2022, 09:39:39 PM
Now that’s ingenuity
We were AOTC, unless someone else can claim it.
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2022, 10:21:11 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 14, 2022, 09:53:52 PM
No Hawkins?
He's our Zoom tomorrow. So you prolly oughta include him.
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2022, 12:42:48 AM »
Quote from: Custard on February 14, 2022, 09:53:52 PM
No Hawkins?

I remember having some success running high low action with Hawkins and Kofi early on when we were trying to figure shit out with all the roster fluctuations. The times I’ve seen Grandison do it like yesterday were not so good.

Glad to see RJ coming on. He’s always been the most impressive of the freshmen thus far from what I’ve seen but he’s really turned it on. He gives us quickness, athleticism, shooting we needed at the wing and seems to be in the right place more often than not.

Concerns me to be considered a F4 contender and be so reliant on a top 100 ish true frosh but he’s definitely giving us more than Hawkins seems to be able to. Grandison needs to figure shit out and get hot down the home stretch here.

We have been struggling since the winter break and with more Curbelo.
Not exactly sure how much Curbelo has gotten us out of the rhythm we had going, but would be interested to see the points per possessions with him on floor vs not.
It has not been good.
And his bad episodes bleed over into rest of game as we try and right the offense after he leaves a path of chaos at times. He has had to be pulled several times in second half down the stretch.
Curbelo's Off Rating is 88.2 on KenPom which is worse on team by far of anybody who plays including Jobu Payne.

Both Trent and Grandison have been in extended shooting slump overall and from 3.
Really only gives us one reliable 3ball guy in Plummer who has gotten less looks with the new shoot first Curbelo V2 in the mix.
RJ coming on now has to play more for this 4 out one in offense to work.

Trent is 16/60 in last 9 games from 3.
Grandison is 14/53 in last 11 games from 3.
Both 26% which is a not a good EFG% and killing us.
That is 83 empty possessions. 
30/113 is EFG% of only 39%.

The last thing of concern is Kofi has become the Bermuda triangle center again.
Ball never comes out.
Only five assists in last 9 games. Had 12 the previous 9.
He is forcing it while being triple teamed a lot.

We need Curbelo to be pass first and stop trying to be Steve Nash right now, and everybody get back to the share the ball mentality.



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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2022, 02:00:10 AM »
I think that's about right (except* "fewer").
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2022, 05:49:33 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on February 15, 2022, 12:42:48 AM

Trent is 16/60 in last 9 games from 3.
Grandison is 14/53 in last 11 games from
The last thing of concern is Kofi has become the Bermuda triangle center again.
Ball never comes out.
Only five assists in last 9 games. Had 12 the previous 9.
He is forcing it while being triple teamed a lot.

Hopefully these are just mid-season slumps, but both at the same time can be a problem. They can get their shots back as easily as they lost them.
Keeps fingers crossed.
Against NU, Kofi was consistently getting the ball too far away from the basket. His first move was a dribble, and it seemed to carry over to when he was fortunate to get the ball closer to the hoop. We all know what can happen when he dribbles.
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2022, 07:45:09 AM »
I heard yesterday Illinois is 10th in Big Ten games at 3 point shooting %.
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2022, 08:27:41 AM »
Quote from: Jrock74 on February 15, 2022, 07:45:09 AM
I heard yesterday Illinois is 10th in Big Ten games at 3 point shooting %.

We're not bashful about jacking up 3s. Our season average (5th in conference) makes it look better.

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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2022, 08:30:41 AM »
Thx for the post Mn, that's a bad combination.  Shooting by far the most 3s and in the bottom half of the conference in converting them.

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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2022, 09:11:30 AM »
Quote from: Jrock74 on February 15, 2022, 08:30:41 AM
Thx for the post Mn, that's a bad combination.  Shooting by far the most 3s and in the bottom half of the conference in converting them.


I don't mind the 3s too much, but we need to be more judicious on who's shooting them, and when.
And a missed 3 too often ends up with a long rebound and a run out for the other team. We're not always able to get back on defense.
DaMonte is 3-11 and Grandison is 1-9 our last 2 games.
DaMonte shouldn't be taking 5 per game and hopefully Grandison gets his shot back.
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2022, 03:23:13 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 14, 2022, 09:53:52 PM
No Hawkins?

I remember having some success running high low action with Hawkins and Kofi early on when we were trying to figure shit out with all the roster fluctuations. The times I’ve seen Grandison do it like yesterday were not so good.

Glad to see RJ coming on. He’s always been the most impressive of the freshmen thus far from what I’ve seen but he’s really turned it on. He gives us quickness, athleticism, shooting we needed at the wing and seems to be in the right place more often than not.

Concerns me to be considered a F4 contender and be so reliant on a top 100 ish true frosh but he’s definitely giving us more than Hawkins seems to be able to. Grandison needs to figure shit out and get hot down the home stretch here.

I would throw him in the same category as BBV and Podz
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2022, 07:21:53 AM »
I stated before B1G play, that RJ would be our best freshman and be getting more run by conference....well it's true and overdue, RJ will be the face of our team with Goode I think....BP is overmatched imo so far?

Play RJ serious minutes, he is a key for us until the end of this season....very instinctive on the court.
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2022, 07:25:32 AM »
Quote from: Mn on February 15, 2022, 09:11:30 AM
I don't mind the 3s too much, but we need to be more judicious on who's shooting them, and when.
And a missed 3 too often ends up with a long rebound and a run out for the other team. We're not always able to get back on defense.
DaMonte is 3-11 and Grandison is 1-9 our last 2 games.
DaMonte shouldn't be taking 5 per game and hopefully Grandison gets his shot back.

quality and quantity are 2 much different things....I agree with not minding about them, however, it seems we are dependent on them when other teams are not and are shooting a much better %. This is also contributing to Kofi being a black hole again with passing, I am sure when we are way off with 3's he is being told to take over.
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2022, 09:46:01 AM »
That's the overwhelming majority of our problem.  We take bad shots.  They are almost always contested.  I rarely see , I don't know maybe 1 out of 4 shots where we get a good look. Its always dribble dibble shoot.  And there are way too many times in the game where Kofi has established one on one position on the low block where we fail to get him the ball.  A lot of times he gets it on the high block and is forced to back his way in.  Or even worse he doesn't even get a touch. 

The only cure for this team IMO is that Curbelo gets it figured out. He is the only variable this offense has that can create the space needed and work the defense to a point to where no one can be double teamed without being burned.  But he has to be able to do this without turning the ball over. 
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2022, 11:12:46 AM »
Curbelo and Damonte have been pretty bad down this stretch, while Melendez is proving himself to be a solid rotation player, will Brad go with the younger guy down the stretch run?  probably not, but here's to hoping
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Re: Rotation down the stretch?
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2022, 11:19:46 AM »
Quote from: Jrock74 on February 17, 2022, 09:46:01 AM
That's the overwhelming majority of our problem.  We take bad shots.  They are almost always contested.  I rarely see , I don't know maybe 1 out of 4 shots where we get a good look. Its always dribble dibble shoot.  And there are way too many times in the game where Kofi has established one on one position on the low block where we fail to get him the ball.  A lot of times he gets it on the high block and is forced to back his way in.  Or even worse he doesn't even get a touch. 

The only cure for this team IMO is that Curbelo gets it figured out. He is the only variable this offense has that can create the space needed and work the defense to a point to where no one can be double teamed without being burned.  But he has to be able to do this without turning the ball over.

I swear we’re watching different games.

We’ve missed probably 20 wide open uncontested threes in the last three games.
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