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A place to celebrate celebrity deaths

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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2910 on: July 10, 2026, 03:22:29 PM »
Yesterday I saw an establishment (Maine) Dem trying to tell everyone how it was going to be. IMO She/they don’t have the leverage. It’s this type of attitude Mainers voted against.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2911 on: July 10, 2026, 05:42:08 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on July 10, 2026, 03:21:18 PM
I respectfully disagree. I think there’s a good deal of evidence there are establishment shenanigans going on here. And I think he should leverage his position to have input to his replacement.

Occam's razor, man. Maybe where's there's smoke, there isn't fire, but if there is smoke all over the fucking place, it's a fire.

To what end would the establishment do this? He's not Fetterman. The establishment is fully behind Sherrod Brown in Ohio, and Sherrod Brown is a lot closer to the AOC/Bernie brand than anything Platner ever said. All the establishment cares about is WINNING THAT SEAT. Platner would have voted the party line 100% of the time, just like AOC does. If AOC ever votes against Hakeem Jefferies, it's not in any situation where legislation would fail. And that's all that matters. He'd get to add his voice to legislation, but just one voice, and a junior one at that.

Letting him slide through the primary then nuking him, and appointing someone by fiat for the nomination? Ever hear of Kamala Harris? This puts the Democrats - establishment or not - in a much worse position. The "establishment" might be dumb, but they ain't THAT dumb.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2912 on: July 11, 2026, 12:51:16 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 10, 2026, 05:42:08 PM
Occam's razor, man. Maybe where's there's smoke, there isn't fire, but if there is smoke all over the fucking place, it's a fire.

To what end would the establishment do this? He's not Fetterman. The establishment is fully behind Sherrod Brown in Ohio, and Sherrod Brown is a lot closer to the AOC/Bernie brand than anything Platner ever said. All the establishment cares about is WINNING THAT SEAT. Platner would have voted the party line 100% of the time, just like AOC does. If AOC ever votes against Hakeem Jefferies, it's not in any situation where legislation would fail. And that's all that matters. He'd get to add his voice to legislation, but just one voice, and a junior one at that.

Letting him slide through the primary then nuking him, and appointing someone by fiat for the nomination? Ever hear of Kamala Harris? This puts the Democrats - establishment or not - in a much worse position. The "establishment" might be dumb, but they ain't THAT dumb.


It’s an absolutely calamity no matter how you slice it. Not sure what’s worse, the complete lack of direction the party has right now or the mostly awful candidates that somehow keep rising to the top.

When push comes to shove I prefer the current policy of right versus left (after all, the 90s Democrats are all Republicans now) but also recognize that it isn’t good to give the GOP all the power indefinitely. Which is exactly what it seems the Dems are hellbent on doing.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2913 on: July 11, 2026, 06:54:58 AM »
Tempo proving Progressives just the flip side of the same coin as the Trumpers. Well done, Tempo!
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2914 on: July 11, 2026, 08:34:33 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 11, 2026, 12:51:16 AM

It’s an absolutely calamity no matter how you slice it. Not sure what’s worse, the complete lack of direction the party has right now or the mostly awful candidates that somehow keep rising to the top.

When push comes to shove I prefer the current policy of right versus left (after all, the 90s Democrats are all Republicans now) but also recognize that it isn’t good to give the GOP all the power indefinitely. Which is exactly what it seems the Dems are hellbent on doing.

Meh - what other swing seats are in play due to an awful candidate?

Meanwhile, in Texas Talarico is fairly moderate, and the Republicans voted out a well respected senior Senator who wins by 10 points and nominated a guy who got impeached by his own party and is getting divorced on "biblical grounds". No - "Democratic Socialists" in D+30 seats don't count as a mostly awful candidate. You might not like how they posture or whatever, but if they win and vote for Jeffries or (presumably) Schumer, they did the job.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2915 on: July 12, 2026, 01:57:59 AM »
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2916 on: July 12, 2026, 05:52:28 AM »
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2917 on: July 12, 2026, 10:25:51 AM »
One less warmonger in the Senate is a good thing.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2918 on: July 12, 2026, 11:08:24 AM »
He actually wasn't that bad the first 6 or 8 years he served in the U.S. Senate...when John McCain was still alive.

That was a long time ago.

RIP Lindsey.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2919 on: July 12, 2026, 11:51:14 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 12, 2026, 01:57:59 AM
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2920 on: July 12, 2026, 02:26:30 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 12, 2026, 11:08:24 AM
He actually wasn't that bad the first 6 or 8 years he served in the U.S. Senate...when John McCain was still alive.

That was a long time ago.

RIP Lindsey.

Agreed. Although I would not have voted for him, I thought he was one of the most principled men in Congress 20 years ago. I had quite a bit of respect for him. Then he got MAGAd.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2921 on: July 13, 2026, 01:18:17 AM »
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2922 on: July 13, 2026, 12:13:35 PM »
Quote from: Miles Leonard on July 13, 2026, 01:18:17 AM
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Grown up Damien. Sad to hear this.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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