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« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2021, 09:26:42 PM »
This is def the last game we will ever be favored by 26 points in the Underwood era.

I listened to Werner all off season talk about how great Omar Payne is on defense. Yeah, not the case.  Our team defense is bad even with Kofi/Payne in the lane

I did not see this game. Kofi looked terrible on defense vs KSU in my opinion.
Plays very straight up, and even slower feet and lateral movement than last year.

Payne moves better, gets off the floor better, but he is nothing special though.

Our defense is simply horrendous. It has been the whole time under Hulka except for second half of 19/20 season, and about a six weeks at end last year.
People keep forgetting that Oklahoma State was like 155th in country in defense when we had the bright idea to hire this guy. 

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« Reply #61 on: November 26, 2021, 09:27:02 PM »
The fact Kofi had to play 38 minutes against a team of this quality is not a good omen for the season.

Before , I thought there was no chance Mizzou could win this year.  After tonight, that’s a toss up bc they will defend and Illinois can’t.

Arizona is a loss.
Notre Dame probably a loss based on coaching alone.

This is now 3 awful games (Cincy, Marquette, tonight) and 1 at best average game vs K State who sucks

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« Reply #62 on: November 26, 2021, 09:37:34 PM »
Underwood's refusal to go to a zone defense was comical and concerning at the same time.

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« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2021, 09:44:43 PM »
Underwood's refusal to go to a zone defense was comical and concerning at the same time.

He is an idiot. He should have vs Loyola in biggest meltdown of the year in tourney.
Oregon State announced it ahead of time and handled them easily.
 
We could not stay in front of anyone last year, and it is worse this year.
Trent and DaMonte are totally over rated as on ball defenders.
We have no help defense by bigs when playing man. They do not play basic man/ ball/ basket D.  Kofi wears cement shoes.
Play zone, stop the drive, pack the 3 point line and Kofi stays in paint.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2021, 09:48:14 PM by Lkdog »

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« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2021, 10:03:11 PM »
Didn’t watch this but followed it idly on my Score app while the kids swam.

I fully expected a lackluster performance missing three starters (and the two primary ball handlers) but didn’t expect to be in a dogfight with whoever this team was.

Guess it’s just good it wasn’t an L. Hopefully the guys who are out get healthy. Like actually healthy, not just “physically able to play in a game” healthy.

Our non conference slate is pretty much FUBAR because it certainly doesn’t look like Curbelo or Trent are going to be of any help any time soon.

If Hutch was anywhere near 100% I don’t think Underwoof would have waited until the wheels had fallen completely off against Cincy before bringing him in.

Looking like the best case scenario is we reach full health mid December and maybe get a rotation and some chemistry figured out by mid January. There’s enough talent on this team to be very formidable by March but it’s not going to be pretty getting there.
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« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2021, 08:35:04 AM »
He is an idiot. He should have vs Loyola in biggest meltdown of the year in tourney.
Oregon State announced it ahead of time and handled them easily.
 
We could not stay in front of anyone last year, and it is worse this year.
Trent and DaMonte are totally over rated as on ball defenders.
We have no help defense by bigs when playing man. They do not play basic man/ ball/ basket D.  Kofi wears cement shoes.
Play zone, stop the drive, pack the 3 point line and Kofi stays in paint.

I agree with most of that.

I believe coming out of an opposing team's timeout with a 1-3-1, 3-2, 1-2-2 or 2-3, for a possession or two, would make a difference.

A lot of opposing coaches would be drawing up an offensive play specifically for our man-to-man defense and would be caught off guard by it.



 


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Re: UT Rio Grande
« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2021, 08:54:09 AM »
Learn to play a zone to protect Kofi from foul trouble.
Show video of how the offense performed when we play some defense.

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« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2021, 10:32:54 AM »
Well, the injuries are not helping develop a rotation or anything that resembles an offense or defense. But this team looks like an AAU team thrown together for a weekend tourney. That is on staff.

Custard is right. It could take weeks.

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« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2021, 11:00:03 AM »
Well, the injuries are not helping develop a rotation or anything that resembles an offense or defense. But this team looks like an AAU team thrown together for a weekend tourney. That is on staff.

Custard is right. It could take weeks.

WTF have they been doing so far this year because it sure looks like they haven't practiced... also every kids attitude looks pretty mellow out there when they are playing, no desire or care about defense... yeah I know its early in the year but come on this is supposed to be a part of the team culture by now
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« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2021, 11:31:01 AM »
Bumpy start, in no small part due to injuries and Kofi’s suspension. Not going to panic or criticize too heavily unless they have another bad loss or two.
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« Reply #70 on: November 27, 2021, 01:24:44 PM »
WTF have they been doing so far this year because it sure looks like they haven't practiced... also every kids attitude looks pretty mellow out there when they are playing, no desire or care about defense... yeah I know its early in the year but come on this is supposed to be a part of the team culture by now


I agree.  And Chet was supposed to be Mr. Tough guy.


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« Reply #71 on: November 27, 2021, 02:06:44 PM »
This last game doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the Cincinnati game. We were relatively healthy-ish I thought for the Cincy game and came out and punched them in the mouth. They made some adjustments, started mugging Kofi, and took our lunch money the rest of the game. That’s much more alarming than a game where three starters including two primary ball handlers are out entirely and other guys have to fill unfamiliar roles.

And if we’ve learned anything over the last 5-10 years it is that the gap between P5 schools and some of these directional schools has narrowed tremendously. You can’t just expect to throw in your guys who are 8-12 on the depth chart out there and expect to roll over another team’s primary rotation.

With the rise of the constant travel ball there are more players playing a lot more competitive basketball than the old days where it was just school ball and the playground. And the bigger programs only have so many cumulative rides to give out each year.

The small schools have less roster turnover and more continuity because they aren’t losing guys to the pros. Illinois played RGV without 5 of the 6 or 7 guys (Ayo, GB, Jake, TF, AC) who played the most minutes last season.

And I can’t stress the lack of ball handlers right now enough. We saw firsthand for years how impotent teams with decent wings and post players could look without a quality PG.

Obviously Plummer is getting comfortable which is huge but imo we are really behind the 8 ball for awhile.
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Re: UT Rio Grande
« Reply #72 on: November 27, 2021, 02:26:09 PM »
Belo hasn't been healthy,  yet. Including the Bearcats game.

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« Reply #73 on: November 27, 2021, 02:49:22 PM »
My “relatively healthy-ish” was a nod to Trent and Belo’s lingering issues.
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« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2021, 04:26:48 PM »
I did not see this game. Kofi looked terrible on defense vs KSU in my opinion.
Plays very straight up, and even slower feet and lateral movement than last year.

Payne moves better, gets off the floor better, but he is nothing special though.

Our defense is simply horrendous. It has been the whole time under Hulka except for second half of 19/20 season, and about a six weeks at end last year.
People keep forgetting that Oklahoma State was like 155th in country in defense when we had the bright idea to hire this guy.

I love how our fans turn on the coach who brought our program back to relevance literally as soon as there’s a hint of trouble.  Unreal.

Hiring the guy wasn’t THAT bad of an idea.  The improvement in the program has been nothing short of enormous.