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Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years

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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2021, 10:17:43 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 24, 2021, 08:43:22 AM
His junior year, Chester was 7th in the Big Ten in minutes played, and 6th on his team in scoring at 4.9 ppg.

So he wasn't the 2nd coming of Dee Brown.

Still, he also averaged 3.6 apg & 4.9 rpg that season.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130625151143/http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/frazier_chester00.html

Frazier got the most out of his talent. He always played hard and gave it his best. And his assist numbers (and the team's record) would probably have been better if Jamar Smith hadn't been such a dumbass while he was at Illinois. 
 
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2021, 10:21:18 AM »
Chester Frazier was the embodiment of our programs’ struggles for 15 years. Not a shining example of a diamond in the rough. He didn’t belong at this level. He probably didn’t belong at UW-Milwaukee.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2021, 10:22:13 AM »
Quote from: dwc13 on November 24, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
So he wasn't the 2nd coming of Dee Brown.

Still, he also averaged 3.6 apg & 4.9 rpg that season.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130625151143/http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/frazier_chester00.html

Frazier got the most out of his talent. He always played hard and gave it his best. And his assist numbers (and the team's record) would probably have been better if Jamar Smith hadn't been such a dumbass while he was at Illinois.

I'm sure Tempo and Nichi will blame someone other than Smith for his own screwups.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2021, 10:23:30 AM »
A diamond in the rough is a Van Vleet, a Kaminsky, or a Pullen.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2021, 10:32:30 AM »
Quote from: dwc13 on November 24, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
So he wasn't the 2nd coming of Dee Brown.

Still, he also averaged 3.6 apg & 4.9 rpg that season.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130625151143/http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/frazier_chester00.html

Frazier got the most out of his talent. He always played hard and gave it his best. And his assist numbers (and the team's record) would probably have been better if Jamar Smith hadn't been such a dumbass while he was at Illinois.

He was 7th in the Big Ten in mpg. Was he supposed to average 2 and 2?
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2021, 10:36:24 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 24, 2021, 10:22:13 AM
I'm sure Tempo and Nichi will blame someone other than Smith for his own screwups.

It didn’t help that Chester had to double as the team doctor. EG: when he pronounced Brian Carlwell dead.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2021, 10:39:51 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 23, 2021, 09:24:39 PM
because Illinois?

and we weren't always super unlucky, had a few diamonds in the rough like Mike Davis and Chester Frazier

Mike Davis and Giorgi were def diamonds.

Even guy like Andres Feliz.

Luther Head vastly outplayed his HS ranking into a 1st rd NBA draft pick.

Meacham/Rice also when they got here produced far more than what their HS ranking would suggest.

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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2021, 10:49:21 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 24, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
Chester Frazier was the embodiment of our programs’ struggles for 15 years. Not a shining example of a diamond in the rough. He didn’t belong at this level. He probably didn’t belong at UW-Milwaukee.

ok Chester Frazier is a slightly crap example but he literally had no scholarship offers and somehow managed to start for a big ten team for 3 years

so depending on your definition of diamond in the rough... yeah

A few others that could be Diamonds in the rough

Trent Meacham
Warren Carter
Mike Davis
Rayvonte Rice
Maverick Morgan


I can't look anymore, what a shit show... honestly looking back at the late 2000's and 2010's... fuck we were terrible... but we had a ton of highly rated recruits that didn't amount to much, along with our lowly rated recruits

bad coaching is the #1 cause


I think we're getting better in this regard with more productive players the last few years
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2021, 10:50:23 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 23, 2021, 09:36:42 PM
I suppose I am.

Illinois high schoolers kept going on to excellent college careers, and we kept overlooking them.

We’ve given rides to “overlooked” big men like Mike Tisdale, Michael Finke, and Brandon Lieb.

How’s that worked out?



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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2021, 10:52:24 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on November 24, 2021, 10:50:23 AM
We’ve given rides to “overlooked” big men like Mike Tisdale, Michael Finke, and Brandon Lieb.

How’s that worked out?

Jermaine Hamlin is another.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2021, 11:00:40 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on November 24, 2021, 10:52:24 AM
Jermaine Hamlin is another.

Exactly.  To suggest our recruiting stinks because we missed out on guys nobody else thought we’re High D1 players is stupid.

The only time where I’d want to recruit in-state below top 100 players is if the choice was those guys vs foreigners.  I’d take in state and not take guys like Vesel, Bossman, or Giorgi tho Giorgi was obviously a huge win.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2021, 11:03:09 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 24, 2021, 10:49:21 AM
ok Chester Frazier is a slightly crap example but he literally had no scholarship offers and somehow managed to start for a big ten team for 3 years


Yes, because the program took a horrible nosedive and didn’t have better options.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2021, 11:03:50 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on November 24, 2021, 11:00:40 AM
Exactly.  To suggest our recruiting stinks because we missed out on guys nobody else thought we’re High D1 players is stupid.

Well it is Tempo, so 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2021, 11:04:16 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on November 24, 2021, 10:50:23 AM
We’ve given rides to “overlooked” big men like Mike Tisdale, Michael Finke, and Brandon Lieb.

How’s that worked out?

Right, it’s called talent evaluation. We’ve been bad at it for a long time.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2021, 11:04:59 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on November 24, 2021, 11:03:50 AM
Well it is Tempo, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

I guess I could focus on the guys who were never coming here. Like you are.
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