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Let's talk about something we all can agree on...

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3405 on: March 31, 2026, 08:11:52 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on March 31, 2026, 12:34:50 PM
But not when Trump wins the popular vote
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3406 on: March 31, 2026, 10:03:13 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on March 31, 2026, 08:11:52 PM
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Shouldn't you support POTUS if POTUS wins more of the the people's votes, the will of the people, than other candidates ?
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3407 on: March 31, 2026, 11:12:44 PM »
Paradox

What if a majority of the people elect a dictator that oversteps his constitutional authority?
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3408 on: April 01, 2026, 06:29:42 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 31, 2026, 11:12:44 PM
Paradox

What if a majority of the people elect a dictator that oversteps his constitutional authority?
I get reminders every morning from the fishwrap that this was the result of the 2024 election.

Then I come here for confirmation.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3409 on: April 01, 2026, 06:47:53 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 31, 2026, 01:22:50 PM
RIF: More people voted for someone other than Trump.

"Donald Trump declared on Election Night, as votes were still being counted, that “America has given us an unprecedented and powerful mandate.” Many media outlet echoed his claim by describing his victory as a “landslide,” “resounding,” and “sweeping.” But was it?"
https://www.cfr.org/articles/transition-2025-did-trump-win-unprecedented-and-powerful-mandate
Some might consider winning the popular vote, the electoral college and a sweep of the swing states by a newly convicted felon, who was also the subject of special counsel investigations at the time, to be unprecedented.

Never mind that a judge determined that the special counsel was not legally appointed, but there must be a way to find some numbers to argue that such a win had precedent.

And your article doesn't appear to mention that states attempted to remove Trump from the ballot, causing SCOTUS to step in, before Trump won the popular vote and the electoral vote.

But, the percentages .......
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3410 on: April 01, 2026, 09:15:22 AM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on March 31, 2026, 10:03:13 PM
Shouldn't you support POTUS if POTUS wins more of the the people's votes, the will of the people, than other candidates ?

That's not exactly how it works
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3411 on: April 01, 2026, 09:25:17 AM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on March 31, 2026, 10:03:13 PM
Shouldn't you support POTUS if POTUS wins more of the the people's votes, the will of the people, than other candidates ?

About all I ask is that you accept the results of the election. So if a Joe Biden or a Barack Obama gets elected president I don't expect you to fall in line with his entire agenda; all I ask is that you proceed in good faith
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3412 on: April 01, 2026, 10:10:08 AM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 01, 2026, 09:25:17 AM
all I ask is that you proceed in good faith
Would you ask that of others also ?
How about if Trump were elected ?
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3413 on: April 01, 2026, 10:11:36 AM »
Sure
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3414 on: April 01, 2026, 10:55:17 AM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 01, 2026, 10:11:36 AM
Sure

Even if he was elected a fourth time?
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3415 on: April 01, 2026, 01:14:46 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 01, 2026, 06:47:53 AM
Some might consider winning the popular vote, the electoral college and a sweep of the swing states by a newly convicted felon, who was also the subject of special counsel investigations at the time, to be unprecedented.

Never mind that a judge determined that the special counsel was not legally appointed, but there must be a way to find some numbers to argue that such a win had precedent.

And your article doesn't appear to mention that states attempted to remove Trump from the ballot, causing SCOTUS to step in, before Trump won the popular vote and the electoral vote.

But, the percentages .......

You are reaching so hard, your arm must hurt.

Are you really going to argue that Trump had an unprecedented mandate because he was a convicted felon under investigation?

That is not what he said. He referred to margin of victory and claimed we had never seen anything like it.

btw "Special Counsel Role: In 2017, Robert Mueller was appointed Special Counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, which is a position that does not require Senate confirmation."
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3416 on: April 01, 2026, 02:16:08 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 01, 2026, 01:14:46 PM
You are reaching so hard, your arm must hurt.

Are you really going to argue that Trump had an unprecedented mandate because he was a convicted felon under investigation?

That is not what he said. He referred to margin of victory and claimed we had never seen anything like it.

btw "Special Counsel Role: In 2017, Robert Mueller was appointed Special Counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, which is a position that does not require Senate confirmation."
The article that you cited from CFR.org states Trump as saying "America has given us an unprecedented and powerful mandate". That's the extent of the quote that was used, then went on a mission to use numbers to argue against an unprecedented and powerful mandate.

" He referred to margin of victory and claimed we had never seen anything like it."
When has a former President, a convicted felon and under special counsel investigation, been returned to office ?
Have you "seen anything like it" ?

btw, Aileen Cannon decided that Jack Smith was unlawfully appointed.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3417 on: April 01, 2026, 03:20:50 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 01, 2026, 02:16:08 PM
The article that you cited from CFR.org states Trump as saying "America has given us an unprecedented and powerful mandate". That's the extent of the quote that was used, then went on a mission to use numbers to argue against an unprecedented and powerful mandate.


Someone might be on a mission here. Not I. Simply pointing out facts. If you want to say electing a convict by narrow margins gave him an unprecedented and powerful mandate, enjoy your free speech.

I am not going to attempt to argue with every red herring.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3418 on: April 01, 2026, 03:34:49 PM »
It's an entirely different topic, but if Judge Cannon's precedent defying ruling holds up; that is the end of an independent counsel.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3419 on: April 01, 2026, 05:14:32 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 01, 2026, 10:55:17 AM
Even if he was elected a fourth time?

That would be unconstitutional
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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