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Let's talk about something we all can agree on...

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2550 on: January 17, 2025, 09:29:12 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on January 17, 2025, 06:33:13 PM
OK, it feels like this EO doesn't have the force of law and it's just Biden expressing an opinion.  What am I missing?

All the requirements of Article V to pass an Amendment were met. There is nothing in the Constitution about deadlines or revoking ratifications.

It is not just Biden's opinion. After House members asked Biden to take action, he had legal scholars study the case.

Congress passed the Amendment

38 states have now ratified it.

OTOH

Congress initially placed a deadline, something like 7 years. That was extended to, I think, 1982. The most recent state to ratify was a few years ago, way past the deadlines.

Is having a deadline even Constitutional?

Also, 5 states have rescinded their ratifications.

Is rescinding a ratifications years later even possible?

Biden taking a role in this is ,highly unusual, but possibly no more unusual than Trump ruling by executive fiat.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2551 on: January 17, 2025, 09:34:51 PM »
Oh brother
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« Reply #2552 on: January 18, 2025, 06:41:42 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 17, 2025, 09:16:26 PM
The President didn't just declare it. The Congress of the United States passed the Equal Rights Amendment. 3/4 of the States ratified it. 140 members of the House asked Biden to take action.
It comes across as being a little bit of those scary words, like authoritarian, that the left uses about Trump.
Maybe Biden forgot that his own DOJ nixed this idea. Or maybe the staffer(s) who sent out the declaration just doesn't/don't care about legal opinions and/or the process.
Unless, of course, you're ok with Trump declaring amendments on Monday starting with #29 until he gets to #47.
If the Biden administration doesn't follow the process why should Trump ? 😂
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2553 on: January 18, 2025, 06:44:09 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 17, 2025, 09:34:51 PM
Oh brother
5 states "cured" their ballots. 😄
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2554 on: January 18, 2025, 02:27:47 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 18, 2025, 06:41:42 AM
It comes across as being a little bit of those scary words, like authoritarian, that the left uses about Trump.
Maybe Biden forgot that his own DOJ nixed this idea. Or maybe the staffer(s) who sent out the declaration just doesn't/don't care about legal opinions and/or the process.
Unless, of course, you're ok with Trump declaring amendments on Monday starting with #29 until he gets to #47.
If the Biden administration doesn't follow the process why should Trump ? 😂

That is totally idiotic.

Joe Biden didn't issue an executive order. He expressed his opinion. He declined to order the archivist to publish the amendment. He declined to take a role, other than expressing his opinion. He did not ask the Office of Legal Counsel to reconsider.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2555 on: January 18, 2025, 02:39:12 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 18, 2025, 06:44:09 AM
5 states "cured" their ballots. 😄

Thanks for an analogy, albeit a weak one. Ballots are cured for minor mistakes before they are counted. Not after they are  counted.

Five states tried to change their vote after it had been counted, and after the deadlines. Apparently they thought the deadlines weren't enforceable.

Virginia voted to ratify in 2020, 38 years after the final deadline.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2556 on: January 19, 2025, 03:27:06 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 18, 2025, 02:27:47 PM
That is totally idiotic.

Joe Biden didn't issue an executive order. He expressed his opinion. He declined to order the archivist to publish the amendment. He declined to take a role, other than expressing his opinion. He did not ask the Office of Legal Counsel to reconsider.
What's idiotic is some staffer sending out a tweet under the name of POTUS that states "The 28th Amendment is the law of the land, ...."
It also includes "President Biden declares ..."
Gillibrand then tweets President Biden just declared ..."
Harris tweets "The Equal Rights Amendment is the 28th Amendment, ..."

He declared, he ignored the Archivist's and DOJ opinions, he (but it wasn't him) took a role but yeah 'it was just expressing an opinion.'

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2557 on: January 19, 2025, 03:28:51 PM »
Mn is just mad that he has to take Mrs. Mn fishing now
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« Reply #2558 on: January 19, 2025, 03:29:43 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 18, 2025, 02:39:12 PM
Thanks for an analogy, albeit a weak one. Ballots are cured for minor mistakes before they are counted. Not after they are  counted.

Five states tried to change their vote after it had been counted, and after the deadlines. Apparently they thought the deadlines weren't enforceable.

Virginia voted to ratify in 2020, 38 years after the final deadline.
And there is no 28th amendment. Despite the executive fiat.
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« Reply #2559 on: January 19, 2025, 03:31:50 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 19, 2025, 03:28:51 PM
Mn is just mad that he has to take Mrs. Mn fishing now
Lol. She doesn't do live bait. 👍
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« Reply #2560 on: January 19, 2025, 03:32:51 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 19, 2025, 03:31:50 PM
Lol. She doesn't do live bait. 👍

As she is now "equal" she can bait her own hooks and open her own doors!
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2561 on: January 19, 2025, 03:51:57 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 19, 2025, 03:29:43 PM
And there is no 28th amendment. Despite the executive fiat.

There was no executive fiat. An outgoing President expressed his personal opinion.

 This covers everything:
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/17/nx-s1-5264378/biden-era-national-archivist-constitution
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« Reply #2562 on: January 19, 2025, 03:54:18 PM »
We can really trust National Palestinian Radio?
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« Reply #2563 on: January 19, 2025, 04:02:36 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 19, 2025, 03:51:57 PM
There was no executive fiat. An outgoing President expressed his personal opinion.

 This covers everything:
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/17/nx-s1-5264378/biden-era-national-archivist-constitution

Lol. And the opinion is, insert drumroll, not an opinion. There is no 28th Amendment. It doesn't exist no matter what bait his staffers throw out for Gillibrand or Harris to fawn over.  It's a fantasy to say it does.
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« Reply #2564 on: January 19, 2025, 04:06:59 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 19, 2025, 03:32:51 PM
As she is now "equal" she can bait her own hooks and open her own doors!
Told ya already, she doesn't do live bait.

Try opening a door for a woman who you don't know. When she walks right past you with no acknowledgment, say "you're welcome". 😁
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