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Let's talk about something we all can agree on...

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2205 on: October 15, 2024, 11:13:52 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 15, 2024, 11:05:50 AM
Those involved in the Stonewall Riots would like to remind you that history didn't start in 1990 or whatever your starting point here is.

Chump edit: see Murph beat me too the punch but his is tl;dr length

I applaud your brevity. But Custard probably can't get Google to work and his Encyclopedia Brittanica is probably pre-Stonewall

See also: Anita Bryant
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2206 on: October 15, 2024, 11:15:53 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on October 15, 2024, 11:12:16 AM
I know I had way more money in my pocket. There was peace in the world regarding the USA unlike now and all the tensions. Iran was broke. Illegals weren’t swarming our country. America was better under Trump than Biden. Biden came out the other day (I think he is seriously trying to sabotage her campaign) to say Harris has worked hand in hand with him on pretty much everything (even though she tries to distant herself from him and discredit those things). Obviously because most of it was shit.

During the Trump administration, I existed on this board and had a post wherein I noted that the future was Tesla, Facebook and my employer. Those three stocks are all up triple digits.

Your failure to act on that clear insight is your fault, not Joe Biden's.

But let's say you're more conservative and just buy the S&P. It's at an all time high.

If you have less money in your pocket, sounds like you didn't work very hard pre 2020 and were already too broke to have any investments.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2207 on: October 15, 2024, 11:21:51 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on October 15, 2024, 11:12:16 AM
I know I had way more money in my pocket. There was peace in the world regarding the USA unlike now and all the tensions. Iran was broke. Illegals weren’t swarming our country. America was better under Trump than Biden. Biden came out the other day (I think he is seriously trying to sabotage her campaign) to say Harris has worked hand in hand with him on pretty much everything (even though she tries to distant herself from him and discredit those things). Obviously because most of it was shit.

More people working. Wages up for non- government employees. GDP higher. Manufacturing coming back to the US. 401(k)s higher. Recession (so far) avoided. The Soviets not standing in Kyiv despite Trump's best efforts to have that happen. Thanks, Joe!

Meanwhile Trump's old age dementia has obviously raced far ahead of Joe's. Congrats, Trump is beating Joe at something finally.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2208 on: October 15, 2024, 11:25:31 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 15, 2024, 10:31:21 AM
That was in the UK

I guess those beat generation authors forgot to tell you about the "witch hunts" for gay men and the hate-based rhetoric that equated consensual adult sex with child molestation in the 50s.  Many U.S.  cities formed "vice squads" and police often labeled gays they arrested as "sexual perverts".  The federal government's preferred term was "deviant," which came with legal consequences for seeking employment in public service and the military.

https://50sgeneration.weebly.com/homosexuality.html

https://www.history.com/news/state-
department-gay-employees-outed-fired-lavender-scare

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/pride-in-the-1950-s.htm

 
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2209 on: October 15, 2024, 11:37:37 AM »
Reagan mortgaged the future for some good times in the moment. The national deficit soared under Reagan, and he gave amnesty to 3 million illegals which was a springboard for what we have going on today. Reagan’s legacy is shit, but he was good in front of a mic (first 5-6 years at least). Reagan probably did more damage to this country than Trump.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/todays-immigration-debate-rooted-reagan-amnesty-experts-say

Oh, and he funded an illegal war by selling cocaine to Americans. Primarily in the ghettos.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2210 on: October 15, 2024, 12:00:55 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 15, 2024, 10:36:43 AM
Citing super extreme examples isn’t exactly dispelling the notion that they were left alone for the most part. Society at large in the US hasn’t ever really harbored the hatred for gay people that we are led to believe. Mostly religious zealots and/or latent homos furious at their own attraction to men have done the vast majority of the heinous stuff talked about here and elsewhere. There have generally always been places in the US where gay communities were accepted and thrived.

I wonder if your average gay person in the 50s thought those occurrences were rare or super extreme. Custard working overtime to live up to his oblivious white/male/straight/Christian existence.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2211 on: October 15, 2024, 12:03:00 PM »
There’s a reason almost no one “came out of the closet” in those days.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2212 on: October 15, 2024, 12:51:24 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on October 15, 2024, 09:04:29 AM
Is that why she got less than 1% in the primary when she tried to run? Talk about Trump being a threat to democracy lol, what they did is criminal. Trump actually has a record to run on and all was fine when he was president. She doesn’t even deserve the nomination, as you see from the voters who previously spoke.

What percentage did Trump get when he tried to run with the Reform Party?

It is hard to say how fine things were when Trump was President since the pandemic intervened before his initial economic policies took full effect. That requires a more in depth analysis.

It is obnoxious that he takes credit for low gas prices caused by the pandemic.

You might to review the history of political parties and how candidates are chosen. It's usually a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.

Voters choose delegates, not candidates. The parties hold things called conventions. The delegates meet and pick the candidate.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2213 on: October 15, 2024, 01:19:33 PM »
Custard is sort of right. Even during the McCarthy  Era, gay and lesbian people were usually left alone if they remained deeply enough in the closet and their clubs paid off the vice squads. Not always though.

My parents had friends who were life long bachelors and spinsters / old maids.

Were some of those people maybe gay and lesbian?

I remember two older women who were lifelong companions. This would have been late 1950ish.

Of course, gay or lesbian couples wouldn't have had any of the privileges of marriage.

What they did in their bedrooms was illegal.

They officially had a mental illness.

Prior to 1968, women in general had trouble getting credit cards or mortgages.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2214 on: October 15, 2024, 01:22:59 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 15, 2024, 01:19:33 PM
Custard is sort of right. Even during the McCarthy  Era, gay and lesbian people were usually left alone if they remained deeply enough in the closet and their clubs paid off the vice squads. Not always though.

My parents had friends who were life long bachelors and spinsters/old maids. Were they maybe gay and lesbian?

I remember two older women who were lifelong
companions. This would have been late 1950ish.

Of course, gay or lesbian couples wouldn't have had any of the privileges of marriage.

What they did in their bedrooms was illegal.

They officially had a mental illness.

Prior to 1968, women in general had trouble getting credit cards or mortgages.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2215 on: October 15, 2024, 01:24:57 PM »
Nm
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« Reply #2216 on: October 15, 2024, 01:34:41 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 15, 2024, 01:19:33 PM
Custard is sort of right. Even during the McCarthy  Era, gay and lesbian people were usually left alone if they remained deeply enough in the closet and their clubs paid off the vice squads. Not always though.

My parents had friends who were life long bachelors and spinsters / old maids.

Were some of those people maybe gay and lesbian?

I remember two older women who were lifelong
companions. This would have been late 1950ish.

Of course, gay or lesbian couples wouldn't have had any of the privileges of marriage.

What they did in their bedrooms was illegal.

They officially had a mental illness.

Prior to 1968, women in general had trouble getting credit cards or mortgages.


Many of both sexes entered the clergy.  It was pretty obvious going thru Catholic education. 
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« Reply #2217 on: October 15, 2024, 01:48:39 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 15, 2024, 01:19:33 PM
Custard is sort of right. Even during the McCarthy  Era, gay and lesbian people were usually left alone if they remained deeply enough in the closet and their clubs paid off the vice squads. Not always though.

My parents had friends who were life long bachelors and spinsters / old maids.

Were some of those people maybe gay and lesbian?

I remember two older women who were lifelong companions. This would have been late 1950ish.

Of course, gay or lesbian couples wouldn't have had any of the privileges of marriage.

What they did in their bedrooms was illegal.

They officially had a mental illness.

Prior to 1968, women in general had trouble getting credit cards or mortgages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_Scare
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« Reply #2218 on: October 15, 2024, 02:21:00 PM »
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2219 on: October 15, 2024, 02:32:39 PM »
Gay people were largely left alone as long as they led completely secret lives!
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