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Re: Cycling
« Reply #240 on: June 06, 2024, 11:44:14 AM »
That's a pretty fucking dumb question given my company's stock is up 250 points in the last week.

Did your 1200's get called? Looks like it's back down below 1200, if you were able to dodge a call ...

not yet, expiration is Friday the 21st, we shall see, might have to roll em 🤷‍♂️ stock is a real bull like that one in the video!
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« Reply #241 on: June 06, 2024, 11:51:56 AM »
not yet, expiration is Friday the 21st, we shall see, might have to roll em 🤷‍♂️ stock is a real bull like that one in the video!

Not sure how this number is calculated, but Yahoo Finance was claiming that 283 billion in options were traded in NVDA on Tuesday alone.  Might be people buying back their call options. If it closes over 1200, you have to deliver the stock or buy back the calls? I guess you get the value from selling the stock at a higher price than it was when you wrote the calls, but if it closes over 1200+premium it's a losing bet?

The winning bet is just having 4 years of RSUs vesting

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« Reply #242 on: June 06, 2024, 12:08:25 PM »
Not sure how this number is calculated, but Yahoo Finance was claiming that 283 billion in options were traded in NVDA on Tuesday alone.  Might be people buying back their call options. If it closes over 1200, you have to deliver the stock or buy back the calls? I guess you get the value from selling the stock at a higher price than it was when you wrote the calls, but if it closes over 1200+premium it's a losing bet?

The winning bet is just having 4 years of RSUs vesting

if it closes over 1200 it doesn't matter unless its very close to expiration due to the time premium

for example if the stock is at 1215 and the 1200 June option is 60 bucks, they would be stupid to exercise the option rather than just sell the option for way more money

so you can predict when the option will get assigned when they are much closer to parity,  (like in my example stock is at 1215 and the option worth 15 bucks and change) and roll them beforehand or just don't do anything and let the stock go if you want to sell it

but anyway to answer your question, I sell out of the money options on stocks I own (for myself and clients) to generate extra cash flow

so if it goes up, yay, and if it doesn't go up, yay... only time its a losing proposition is when a stock goes parabolic like nvda has done the last few years, but then I just don't do anything or write waaay out of the money options on it after it makes a huge move
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« Reply #243 on: June 06, 2024, 01:09:42 PM »
if it closes over 1200 it doesn't matter unless its very close to expiration due to the time premium

for example if the stock is at 1215 and the 1200 June option is 60 bucks, they would be stupid to exercise the option rather than just sell the option for way more money

so you can predict when the option will get assigned when they are much closer to parity,  (like in my example stock is at 1215 and the option worth 15 bucks and change) and roll them beforehand or just don't do anything and let the stock go if you want to sell it

but anyway to answer your question, I sell out of the money options on stocks I own (for myself and clients) to generate extra cash flow

so if it goes up, yay, and if it doesn't go up, yay... only time its a losing proposition is when a stock goes parabolic like nvda has done the last few years, but then I just don't do anything or write waaay out of the money options on it after it makes a huge move

suffice to say, you wrote those calls for X, and now they are worth substantially more than X, so to rebuy your call, you'd be down. I mean, you'd be up because you owned stock that went up in value, but you have less money than if you had never written that call.

Who'd a thunk writing 1200's with the stock in the mid 900's would be a negative proposition.

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« Reply #244 on: June 06, 2024, 01:27:18 PM »
suffice to say, you wrote those calls for X, and now they are worth substantially more than X, so to rebuy your call, you'd be down. I mean, you'd be up because you owned stock that went up in value, but you have less money than if you had never written that call.

Who'd a thunk writing 1200's with the stock in the mid 900's would be a negative proposition.

Yeah its a risk hedge for sure, and gaining 300 points in a stock while losing 50 points in an option is usually a good trade off since you can take a taxable loss in the tax year as well, you are correct though as I'd be better off just letting it fly, but there's always the chance of that not happening.
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« Reply #245 on: June 06, 2024, 01:35:17 PM »
Yeah its a risk hedge for sure, and gaining 300 points in a stock while losing 50 points in an option is usually a good trade off since you can take a taxable loss in the tax year as well, you are correct though as I'd be better off just letting it fly, but there's always the chance of that not happening.

well, the penalty I pay for having access to all these RSUs is I am not allowed to trade options. SAD ;)

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« Reply #246 on: June 06, 2024, 01:38:16 PM »
well, the penalty I pay for having access to all these RSUs is I am not allowed to trade options. SAD ;)

haha yea the R is the worst part

I have quite a bit as well in the company I work for, thankfully they don't let me touch them and the stock has done pretty solid over the years
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Re: Cycling
« Reply #248 on: August 21, 2024, 05:57:04 PM »
Defund this guy


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« Reply #249 on: August 21, 2024, 06:09:08 PM »
Defund this guy



Rules of the Road apply to cyclists, Murph. Why do you hate cops, the Electoral College, and America?
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« Reply #250 on: August 21, 2024, 06:17:28 PM »
Rules of the Road apply to cyclists, Murph. Why do you hate cops, the Electoral College, and America?

The cop lied about the rules of the road, which the cyclist was applying, then didn't show up to the cyclist's appointed court date, as is his job to do so.

I just hate lazy ass shiftless cops.

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« Reply #251 on: August 21, 2024, 06:53:00 PM »
The cop lied about the rules of the road, which the cyclist was applying, then didn't show up to the cyclist's appointed court date, as is his job to do so.

I just hate lazy ass shiftless cops.

You just hate America and Americans. Rep. Mike Thompson, whom I heard speak yesterday, does not hate America and Americans.
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« Reply #252 on: August 21, 2024, 07:04:00 PM »
The cop lied about the rules of the road, which the cyclist was applying, then didn't show up to the cyclist's appointed court date, as is his job to do so.

I just hate lazy ass shiftless cops.

I was riding a bike downtown one day and a cop stopped to tell me to move to the sidewalk.  I said ok, and decided not to tell him that bicyclists were prohibited from riding on the sidewalk in the downtrown business district. 

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« Reply #253 on: August 21, 2024, 07:18:57 PM »
You just hate America and Americans. Rep. Mike Thompson, whom I heard speak yesterday, does not hate America and Americans.

Mike Thompson would look at that video, and say "If I did my job as poorly as that cop, I would get fired"

Also - Thompson - not my Rep

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« Reply #254 on: August 21, 2024, 07:21:06 PM »
I was riding a bike downtown one day and a cop stopped to tell me to move to the sidewalk.  I said ok, and decided not to tell him that bicyclists were prohibited from riding on the sidewalk in the downtrown business district.

This happened to me once.

The best part was, this was on the entrance to the Golden Gate Bridge - I was riding to the bus stop right at the entrance. He followed me far enough that he had to take a side trip to Marin to get back to SF. So I told him to enjoy his scenic trip to Sausalito, maybe they have a copy of the vehicle code there.